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I agree with everything you said except for the ''Godzilla is not invicible enough'' argument. This is a argument that long time Godzilla fan seems to bring up all the time and I'll never understand it, and in fact it bore me. If Godzilla was invicible, pwning absolutly everything and the best anyone can do is tickle him with all their fire power... What is the point of even watching the movie? Complaining because he is losing to two Mutos? Really? Would you rather have him pwn 100 Mutos for 40min the same way that The Rock could pwn a 100 5years old? If the ''hero'' is never challenged, it makes a dull and boring movie.



 

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AnthonyW86 said:

Just saw it: The action that is there is nice, acting is descent but the story and the way the movie is put together made it feel like a B movie sometimes.

When are these directors going to learn that with action of this scale focusing to much on (individual) people doesn't work. Same with any disaster movie. And the Transformer movies. And... wel you get the point.

Exactly.  There's nothing wrong with focusing on normal people, all monster/disaster movies do.  But, when it's the monster's or destruction's time to shine, you let it shine.  This is what the Toho movies were about, why can't we do it like that? 

You know the worst part?  The money shots where the monsters square off are just purely epic.  Godzilla just comes out of nowhere at the airport, when the situation looks to be at its worst.  He flares his nostrils and roars.  Then we cut away.  The second time, everyone is running from the male MUTO, then Godzilla stands up from the exact place they were running to.  He flares his nostrils and lets out a roar.  Then we cut away as we see him grab the MUTO by the neck.  The third time, Godzilla approaches the female like a badass through the smoke, the sound is somewhat muted.  They go to fight...Oops, you don't want to see that, you want to see the Military disarm a bomb.  Godzilla just always looks like he's about to kick some ass.  Then, when the audience prepares for the battle, Garreth gives them the middle finger and focuses on the humans, again. 

If Toho did that, Godzilla would have lasted two movies, MAYBE 3, and then audiences would have been done with him.



BenVTrigger said:
Scisca said:
Aaron Taylor-Johson was terrible - end of story. His character was unbearable for me to be honest. Apart from him, the acting was really very, very good though.

Still, you missed the absolutely most awful thing that constantly made me feel like throwing up. The immortal-ultimate-unbeatable-bad-ass-american-marines-who-save-the-world-as-usual. Like they are some kind of superhuman. It's just disgusting to me at this point. I turn a movie off when I see it, which I obviously couldn't do in a theatre (such a shame). This also goes to the navy and the absurd placement of ships, following Godzilla with just meters of space between it and massive ships. Everything about the navy was so ridiculous it made me annoyed. This has really devastated the fun I had with the movie. Though I have to admit that I loved the slow and long build-up (before the Ultramarines showed up), which is the part of every movie that I enjoy the most - it's when everything is still a mistery and everything is possibile. That's why I like Alien so much - it takes so long to even realize who the main character is ;) So this part was done very, very well. I also agree that the monster fights were too short and they switched to the human part for no real reason.

To me - an absolutely average movie, but surely an above average monster movie. Could have been great, but showed too little of Godzilla and too much ridiculous super-Americans, which I just can't stand.


Maybe calm down a bit on the America bashing? 


I didn't see much America bashing. Super-badass military America is absolutely a movie trope and it is pretty tiring. I haven't seen this specific Godzilla, though.



BenVTrigger said:
Scisca said:
Aaron Taylor-Johson was terrible - end of story. His character was unbearable for me to be honest. Apart from him, the acting was really very, very good though.

Still, you missed the absolutely most awful thing that constantly made me feel like throwing up. The immortal-ultimate-unbeatable-bad-ass-american-marines-who-save-the-world-as-usual. Like they are some kind of superhuman. It's just disgusting to me at this point. I turn a movie off when I see it, which I obviously couldn't do in a theatre (such a shame). This also goes to the navy and the absurd placement of ships, following Godzilla with just meters of space between it and massive ships. Everything about the navy was so ridiculous it made me annoyed. This has really devastated the fun I had with the movie. Though I have to admit that I loved the slow and long build-up (before the Ultramarines showed up), which is the part of every movie that I enjoy the most - it's when everything is still a mistery and everything is possibile. That's why I like Alien so much - it takes so long to even realize who the main character is ;) So this part was done very, very well. I also agree that the monster fights were too short and they switched to the human part for no real reason.

To me - an absolutely average movie, but surely an above average monster movie. Could have been great, but showed too little of Godzilla and too much ridiculous super-Americans, which I just can't stand.


Maybe calm down a bit on the America bashing? 


Now where exactly am I bashing America?

 

@Thismeintiel - you probably didn't see it, cause you are American :P I just can't stand stuff like this anymore and trust me - all my friends felt the same thing. This stuff was fun during the first Rocky or Rambo movies, but at this point they make movies unwatchable.



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I loved the movie and I'm glad a sequel is already being planned. Now that they have already seen and know the reactions of people, I'm sure they will be able to know what must be done to the sequel and make a better one. This new one isn't perfect but I still thought it was a movie worthy of Godzilla and brought justice to him. Sure he wasn't in it all the time destroying something for 2 hours but that would be a very tiring and exhausting film to watch. I also felt he needed more time in this movie but what was given to him was good enough for me and my, what glorious scenes those are. The teasing and build up was perfect for me, the transitions was well done and the music was tense and gripping, which really captured the power and terror of the monsters.

I understand(a bit) as to why people would complain with Godzilla's screen time but for me, the approach they used was effective. This movie, after all is supposed to be another introduction to Godzilla, the start of it all. Now that we're done with that, expect more of him(more screen time and more monster battles) in the sequels.

The MUTOs are also very interesting monsters that are very well designed and I found them in no way stupid nor a waste of time. Sadly, like most of the complaints, I couldn't say the same with the humans. Except for Bryan Cranston, Ken Watanabe, and his assistant, all the others fell flat and were pure filler characters. Aaron wasn't convincing with his role, specially after the performance done by Bryan, and Elizabeth was a wasted potential. Elizabeth did great with her acting but she was pretty much useless in the movie. They started of strong with Bryan(his character), both story wise and acting that it's just hard not to get disappointed with Aaron.

Overall it was an amazing experience and a great Kaiju film. And while it is indeed dividing people with it's approach to Godzilla, I can proudly say I am one of those who appreciated it(to Godzilla and the monsters that is)



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DevilRising said:
As a lifelong G-fan, yeah, it was OKAY at best. It was a better movie overall than the 98 film, but that's not saying a WHOLE lot. "Godzilla" was in the movie for all of what felt like 12-15 minutes, which is ridiculous. They spent WAY too much time trying to focus on/build up the human characters that, really, no one is going to see this movie for. People want to see the title character: "Godzilla". They even gave far more attention/focus to the stupid bug/parasite MUTO things.

Like I said, it wasn't a bad film. Like Pacific Rim, I'm STILL not a fan of American cinematography practices being used/overused, such as shaky cam, extreme close-ups, fast-cutting (ie looking like a music video), all during action/fight scenes. They really need to learn something from the actual Japanese monster movies, or Hong Kong kung fu films. The cinematography in those movies, is how action scenes are supposed to be filmed.....so you can actually SEE the action unfolding. But I digress.

It was an OKAY movie. I didn't come away disappointed, but at the same time, it didn't exceed my already fairly low expectations either. My main problem, AS a lifelong Godzilla fan, is that this movie will no doubt make a lot of money, which will mean Hollywood will want to turn it into a franchise, which on it's own will already suck, because I just get sick of them turning everything into a trilogy/franchise. But what's worse, is that if this is a huge success financially, Toho will most likely just use it as further excuse to not bother making their OWN, ACTUAL Godzilla film (miniatures, suitmation, etc.), anytime soon. And that is what any diehard Godzilla fan wants to see. Me personally? I do not want to see CGI be the future of this monster. Nor do I want it to be "taken over" by Hollywood. It belongs to Toho, it belongs to Japan, and it needs to be made the way they've always been made. The "Suitmation" special effects techniques were invented for daikaiju films, and it does them far greater justice than CGI ever will. Why? Because it just looks better. More organic. And the monsters and monster fights almost ALWAYS look better. Hollywood has come to rely on CGI for everything (and I mean everything, even blood and bullet wounds, which is hilariously awful). That needs to stop.

So yup. I thought it was worth seeing. But I wouldn't give it high praise, myself. I still want Toho to get off their fat asses and eventually make a real Godzilla movie themselves again. They don't have to pump them out every year like they were. I'd be perfectly happy to get a new one every 5-10 years. So long as they're GOOD.

@ bold

OMG, you are 100% RIGHT!  That's what disappointed me about the Expendable movies.  They are supposed to be a throw back to the 80's and 90's action flicks, yet use CGI FOR EVERYTHING!  All the blood and bullet wounds are CG.  A lot of the explosions are CG.  Even a freaking dude being caught on fire is in CG.  The CG motorcycle being launched at the CG helicopter in the second one looked laughable, at best.  This also makes me look at the new Turtles movie and laugh.  There is nothing there that couldn't be done with guys in suits, especially with all the advances in that tech we have today.  It could look even better and more realistic than the 90's Turtles movie, without the fake looking CGI.

Having said that, I don't mind CG for huge creatures and things that just aren't practical with practical effects.  I don't mind Godzilla in CG, for example.  Though, I do agree with you that I would love to see Toho make another Godzilla using the more advanced suits we can make, now.  Sadly, I think they will switch over to CG, as well.



BenVTrigger said:
Scisca said:
Aaron Taylor-Johson was terrible - end of story. His character was unbearable for me to be honest. Apart from him, the acting was really very, very good though.

Still, you missed the absolutely most awful thing that constantly made me feel like throwing up. The immortal-ultimate-unbeatable-bad-ass-american-marines-who-save-the-world-as-usual. Like they are some kind of superhuman. It's just disgusting to me at this point. I turn a movie off when I see it, which I obviously couldn't do in a theatre (such a shame). This also goes to the navy and the absurd placement of ships, following Godzilla with just meters of space between it and massive ships. Everything about the navy was so ridiculous it made me annoyed. This has really devastated the fun I had with the movie. Though I have to admit that I loved the slow and long build-up (before the Ultramarines showed up), which is the part of every movie that I enjoy the most - it's when everything is still a mistery and everything is possibile. That's why I like Alien so much - it takes so long to even realize who the main character is ;) So this part was done very, very well. I also agree that the monster fights were too short and they switched to the human part for no real reason.

To me - an absolutely average movie, but surely an above average monster movie. Could have been great, but showed too little of Godzilla and too much ridiculous super-Americans, which I just can't stand.


Maybe calm down a bit on the America bashing? 

It was a litte bit too American in a way that felt almost like propaganda. I don't have a problem with that, it's just a movie, but I can see why it might annoy or upset some people.



thismeintiel said:
DevilRising said:
As a lifelong G-fan, yeah, it was OKAY at best. It was a better movie overall than the 98 film, but that's not saying a WHOLE lot. "Godzilla" was in the movie for all of what felt like 12-15 minutes, which is ridiculous. They spent WAY too much time trying to focus on/build up the human characters that, really, no one is going to see this movie for. People want to see the title character: "Godzilla". They even gave far more attention/focus to the stupid bug/parasite MUTO things.

Like I said, it wasn't a bad film. Like Pacific Rim, I'm STILL not a fan of American cinematography practices being used/overused, such as shaky cam, extreme close-ups, fast-cutting (ie looking like a music video), all during action/fight scenes. They really need to learn something from the actual Japanese monster movies, or Hong Kong kung fu films. The cinematography in those movies, is how action scenes are supposed to be filmed.....so you can actually SEE the action unfolding. But I digress.

It was an OKAY movie. I didn't come away disappointed, but at the same time, it didn't exceed my already fairly low expectations either. My main problem, AS a lifelong Godzilla fan, is that this movie will no doubt make a lot of money, which will mean Hollywood will want to turn it into a franchise, which on it's own will already suck, because I just get sick of them turning everything into a trilogy/franchise. But what's worse, is that if this is a huge success financially, Toho will most likely just use it as further excuse to not bother making their OWN, ACTUAL Godzilla film (miniatures, suitmation, etc.), anytime soon. And that is what any diehard Godzilla fan wants to see. Me personally? I do not want to see CGI be the future of this monster. Nor do I want it to be "taken over" by Hollywood. It belongs to Toho, it belongs to Japan, and it needs to be made the way they've always been made. The "Suitmation" special effects techniques were invented for daikaiju films, and it does them far greater justice than CGI ever will. Why? Because it just looks better. More organic. And the monsters and monster fights almost ALWAYS look better. Hollywood has come to rely on CGI for everything (and I mean everything, even blood and bullet wounds, which is hilariously awful). That needs to stop.

So yup. I thought it was worth seeing. But I wouldn't give it high praise, myself. I still want Toho to get off their fat asses and eventually make a real Godzilla movie themselves again. They don't have to pump them out every year like they were. I'd be perfectly happy to get a new one every 5-10 years. So long as they're GOOD.

@ bold

OMG, you are 100% RIGHT!  That's what disappointed me about the Expendable movies.  They are supposed to be a throw back to the 80's and 90's action flicks, yet use CGI FOR EVERYTHING!  All the blood and bullet wounds are CG.  A lot of the explosions are CG.  Even a freaking dude being caught on fire is in CG.  The CG motorcycle being launched at the CG helicopter in the second one looked laughable, at best.  This also makes me look at the new Turtles movie and laugh.  There is nothing there that couldn't be done with guys in suits, especially with all the advances in that tech we have today.  It could look even better and more realistic than the 90's Turtles movie, without the fake looking CGI.

Having said that, I don't mind CG for huge creatures and things that just aren't practical with practical effects.  I don't mind Godzilla in CG, for example.  Though, I do agree with you that I would love to see Toho make another Godzilla using the more advanced suits we can make, now.  Sadly, I think they will switch over to CG, as well.


I absolutely agree with you. Star Wars is the best example for it. CG Chewie doesn't look anything like the old guy in a suit. It doesn't look realistic at all. The legendary Mos Eisley scene would look like crap and be totally forgetable if done using CGI. The way it was made - it became legendary. The new trilogy would have been much better, had Lucas not gone with CGI everywhere. I'm affraid Disney is gonna go the same rout, which is sad. The same goes for LotR and Hobbit. Too much CGI hurts movies. Stuff that can't be made well "old school" and would look awkward, like huge monsters, dinosaurs, etc. are ok. I don't mind Godzilla being CGI, as it looks better this way. But when possible the old school ways give much better and realistic effects.

Just compare the incredible original Jabba and the flat, plastic CGI one...

 

@Gatito - thanks for the support :) Guess Americans can't even see such stuff anymore :P I find it very annoying though and  believe me, such a point of view is "mainstream" over here. I bet that it's like that in whole Europe.



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Metrium said:
I agree with everything you said except for the ''Godzilla is not invicible enough'' argument. This is a argument that long time Godzilla fan seems to bring up all the time and I'll never understand it, and in fact it bore me. If Godzilla was invicible, pwning absolutly everything and the best anyone can do is tickle him with all their fire power... What is the point of even watching the movie? Complaining because he is losing to two Mutos? Really? Would you rather have him pwn 100 Mutos for 40min the same way that The Rock could pwn a 100 5years old? If the ''hero'' is never challenged, it makes a dull and boring movie.

If it bores you, why to you argue it?

Seriously, though, I don't want Godzilla to be some all mighty monster that can never be hurt or defeated, nor did I say that.  That would be boring.  What I stated was that in the older Godzilla films, specialized missiles/weapons could hurt him or push him back like they showed, but in the film it was just regular cruise missiles.  Those shouldn't have done that to him.  And like I also said, in the older films, monsters have teamed up against Godzilla before and gave him a good match.  Heck, many have when they are by themselves.  But, he always figures out the best way to defeat them after fighting them awhile.  And he definitely doesn't just pass out twice while fighting them for a few minutes. 

I think this is why cutting away from those fights, as well as making the final fight MAYBE 10 minutes was a HUGE mistake.  Had we seen him fighting the male the first two times, and the first half of the battle against the female at the end, we could maybe see why he was be tired.  Of course, they also didn't really give the impression he was getting tired or weaker, he just collapses twice.  Which is sad that Toho could give that feeling better with a rubber suit than Legendary could with a CG creation they have 100% control of.



Why are so many reviewing this movie? It was just an average movie. I only saw it cause there was nothing else good to watch.



    

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