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So which one?

xbox one 83 20.85%
 
nintendo 64 315 79.15%
 
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S.T.A.G.E. said:
lostintheodyssey said:
Michael-5 said:
lostintheodyssey said:
Michael-5 said:

I think Halo 4 did well with reviewers are sales is because reviewers were afraid to give this franchise a bad score and gamers wanted to give it a chance. Halo 3 did have that mysterious ending after all. I don't feel Halo 5 will see the same feedback and I don't think Halo will ever be what it used to be (although it's still going to be alright).

As for Gears, could be good, but it's likely to be bad. I'm not expecting much after Judgement.

Overall I'm just not expecting much from the XB1. Last 4 years the 360's life was Halo, Gears and Forza and I have a feeling XB1 is going to be more the same. Sure it started off moderately well, but so did the 360 and XB1 has yet to announce a new IP as amazing as Gears of War was for the 360. Also Forza 5's lack of content does indicate to me that a bi-annual release is more important then quality, I don't feel MS has changed their perspective on games for the XB1.

Halo 4 did well with sales because gamers bought it and liked it not because they were willing to give it a chance.  I don't care how well a game gets reviewed if gamers buy it and don't like it the news will spread and sales will not be impressive.  Case in point is Gears of War judgement it got positive reviews but when gamers bought it news spread that it wasn't up to par with the older gears games and it did not sale well compared to the older gear games.

I'm not a Gears fan and I can't say if the next game will be good or bad but I believe Microsoft knows how important that ip is so they are going to do everything in their power to make sure the game has a good chance of being a top tier title.  Also remember everyone thought double helix was going to ruin Killer Instinct because they had never made a good game but we see how that turned out killer instinct became a very good fighting game on xbox one.

Microsoft rarely announces games that are 3-4 years away from release and the console is still less than 6 months old so that's why we don't know more about new ips they are working on and we won't know if the IP is as "amazing" as Gears of War until the titles are released and can be judged accordingly.  Who knows maybe Quantum Break, Sunset Overdrive, Project Spark or D4 can become this generation Gears for microsoft.

I'm expecting big things from xbox one since they have been investing in building up their first party studios and they know if they just focus on halo, gears, forza, and fable this generation the sales gap between the ps4 and xbox one will continue to get larger they have to do something different.  I think they are going to really experiment to diversify their first party game portfolio so they can have new franchises to go with the established ones from previous generations.

Microsoft rarely announces games 3-4 years in advance because they usually don't have games 3-4 in advance planned, or they want to keep it a secret (like XB1's launch lineup & the next biannual Forza).

The 360 was an amazing console for the first 4 years, then Microsoft just gave up. It's unfair to assume Microsoft has changed (especially since Kinect is still forcefully bundled despite fan protests). The original XB had the same history (with the most exclusives in 2002, and less each year following).

Also Microsoft investing in 1st party studios? Remember that "new Halo" by Black Tusk? Scrapped, they are making the next Gears of War now. Titanfall? Not 1st party. Quantum Break? Also not first party and likely to release on PC.

Microsoft will only diversify their 1st party portfolio as long as they can see a sizeable profit. They won't be like Sony and introduce new IP's 5 years into the consoles lifetime because realistically a new IP that late into the generation won't add many sales.

Anything can happen, but as a 360 owner myself, I'm not expecting much from Microsoft.

Yes microsoft gave up after the first 4 years with the 360 because with their head start they had established their install base and they knew Sony would not catch them in their two strongest territories of US and UK so they figured they could take their foot off the gas.  They can't do that this time because sony was ready when the xbox one launched and sony is selling consoles at a record pace worldwide. 

I never mentioned Titanfall I don't consider that because it's already been said the sequels would be multi platform.  Quantum Break is published by microsoft and probably funded by them too.  If it goes to PC it will be because Microsoft allowed it to and they would still see money from the sales of the pc version so what do they care as long as xbox one is the only console you can play the game on.  Remedy never released Alan Wake on a home console other than microsofts so I will consider Quantum Break a true console exclusive too until proven otherwise.

Microsoft doesn't have a history of introducing new IP's 5+ years into a consoles lifetime but they have done 3-4 years in multiple times before so that leaves a decent amount of time to see some new IP's.  Sony themselves didn't get serious about their first party lineup until the PS3 when they were forced to because microsoft took away their former third party exclusive titles. During the ps2 and ps1 days they relied on third party exclusives to sell their system very few people bought sony consoles for first party titles. 

I believe microsoft will have a solid lineup of exclusive games at the end of this generation.

Microsoft couldnt pay people to put their exclusive games on their consoles. Microsoft stopped majorly producing first party after the third year, not the fourth. The first three years of the 360's life were the only years where MS had semi-adequate first party. Most of their games were second party after that or paid to keep exclusive from Sony. They also ported games from PC to fill the exclusive void. Microsoft needed the lead because they knew Sony would catch up. World wide in Sonys first year with the PS3 they outsold the 360's first year. They were only behind by a year and caught up at the end. Sony dwindled Microsofts lead from a eight million console lead to two million and then MS brought out in the Kinect in 2010. The Kinect saved the Xbox 360's ass for the last two years and then it fell off and in 2013 Sony closed the gap. There was only so long Microsoft can run. They aren't that efficient with first party because their first party isnt great at all.

Microsoft could pay people to put their exclusive games on their console if they wanted to and many of the financially strapped companies would jump at that opportunity.  A lot of the 360's early exclusive games were exclusive because microsoft released their console first and it was easy to develop on so developers made games for that instead of waiting for the ps3.  Microsoft paying to keep games from being exclusive from sony is no different then when sony paid square back in the day to make final fantasy exclusive or when they helped fund the development of metal gear solid to make sure it stayed exclusive.  Does it matter if microsoft have second party games if microsoft owns the IP like project gotham racing for example?

Yes microsoft knew they needed a head start to disrupt the market and erode sony's market share and I would say they accomplished that even though sony surpassed them in sales in the end.  Like I mentioned before Sony's first party didn't become great until the ps3 so why can't microsoft make the same strides sony did if the news about them investing in their first party studios for this generation is true?



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if XBO change gaming paradigms like N64 did with mario 64 and Zelda OoT, and teach everybody how to make 3D games, then i would say XBO.



lostintheodyssey said:
Michael-5 said:

Well like I said, you can't assume Microsoft will change. You can assume that they won't and maybe get lucky with a better product.

Quantum Break is Remedy, and everything Remedy has made has released on PC. Even Alan Wake which Microsoft said would not release on PC. Console exclusive =/= exclusive, you wouldn't call Just Dance an HD exclusive if it released only on WiiU/XBO (for sake of arguement). Same applies here.

Obviously Sony didn't get serious about 1st party games until the 360, there were more exclusive 3rd party games on PS2 then not.

You have high hopes for a company which has a history of ripping people off where possible. Plus if Microsoft only has 3-4 years to debut all their exclusives (from history) and a year has past and the quality of the exclusives is about par with PS4, then all that means is that in 2-3 years time the XBO is going to start sagging behind. Plus once the Japanese are finished with the PS3, then you'll see a lot of 8+/10 exclusives start to appear on PS4.

lol look at how many times microsoft changed course before the release of xbox one that alone makes your statement invalid.
How? Microsoft was at first very resistant to changing their policies until they were esentially forced to do so.

Companies change all the time if it looks like it will affect their bottom line microsoft is not immune from this, neither is sony or nintendo.  Console exclusive= only available on one home console.  People considered final fantasy 7 for playstation an exclusive back in the day despite the fact that it could be bought on pc.  For whatever reason once microsoft started getting console exclusives now it does not count because it's on pc.
Doesn't count because most of XB's non Halo/Gears/Forza exclusives are available on PC. FFVII was exclusive on PS1/PC, but most PS1/PS2/PS3 exclusives were only available on PS consoles.

Yes so you agree that microsoft destroying the monopoly sony had in the gaming industry was a good thing because it forced them to focus on first party games.
Competition makes better products. Yes I agree

I have high hopes for all of the consoles in general but make no mistake sony will rip you off just as quick as microsoft and so will nintendo. None of them are different in that regard.
Are you sure? Sony doesn't have a history of ripping people off. Even now, while some PS4 games require PS+ for online, many big games don't (e.g. Elder Scrolls Online and Destiny). Nintendo is much the same, you can used a Gamecube Power Adaptor on a NES and you can still order replacement parts for any Nintendo console.

And game quality has always been subjective in my instance the only ps4 exlcusive I have is infamous while I have killer instinct, forza 5, and ryse for xbox one so in my case xbox is ahead.
That's true, but Ryse is a 6/10 game on metacritic....It also furthur annoys me because it was suppose to be a 360 game. Why did MS abandon the 360 so fast? I mean PS3 still got GT6, TLoU, Beyond: Two Souls + 5 or 6 JRPG's.

I agree you may start to see some of the smaller japanese titles be exclusive but it won't be 8 to 10 since japan cares mostly about portables now and the japanese games that are most popular in the west final fantasy, metal gear solid, resident evil etc will always be multi platform for this generation.
Yea, but does this make smaller games like Ni No Kuni, Valkyria Chronicles, the whole Tales of series, Drakengard, etc not important? I know I bought my 360 when it was getting all the JRPG support it saw in 2007-2009, I'm sure many people like me will do the same for PS4.

It's just Microsoft can't pay publishers to stay exclusive anymore. That's one of the biggest reasons the 360 stopped seeing so many exclusives after 2009. I don't see Microsoft expanding their 1st party lineup very much, I see them being very rigid (like Nintendo).

Sony on the other hand well Naughty Dog just made TLoU, Guerilla Games (Killzone) are already working on a new IP, Santa Monica (God of War) are introducing The Order, Evolution Studios (Motorstorm) is making Drive Club, etc....it's pretty much a guarentee that the PS4 will offer more then just sequels (although a GT7 would be more then appreciated).



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S.T.A.G.E. said:

Microsoft couldnt pay people to put their exclusive games on their consoles. Microsoft stopped majorly producing first party after the third year, not the fourth. The first three years of the 360's life were the only years where MS had semi-adequate first party. Most of their games were second party after that or paid to keep exclusive from Sony. They also ported games from PC to fill the exclusive void. Microsoft needed the lead because they knew Sony would catch up. World wide in Sonys first year with the PS3 they outsold the 360's first year. They were only behind by a year and caught up at the end. Sony dwindled Microsofts lead from a eight million console lead to two million and then MS brought out in the Kinect in 2010. The Kinect saved the Xbox 360's ass for the last two years and then it fell off and in 2013 Sony closed the gap. There was only so long Microsoft can run. They aren't that efficient with first party because their first party isnt great at all.

I agree with you about paying for 1st party games, but I think MS did provide a good lineup of 1st party published exclusives until 2009 (which is the 4th year).

As for the alligned launch bit, I hate this whole arguement. Yes PS3 outsold the 360 years 1-4, but the 360 outsold the PS3 years 5+. PS3 only outsells the 360 with an alligned launch because the HD console market as a whole grew until 2010 and then began to shrink.

The rest I agree with and as an example Black Tusk was suppose to bring in "the next Halo" experience to the XBO. What are they making now? The next Gears of War.... :-?



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Michael-5 said:
lostintheodyssey said:
Michael-5 said:

Well like I said, you can't assume Microsoft will change. You can assume that they won't and maybe get lucky with a better product.

Quantum Break is Remedy, and everything Remedy has made has released on PC. Even Alan Wake which Microsoft said would not release on PC. Console exclusive =/= exclusive, you wouldn't call Just Dance an HD exclusive if it released only on WiiU/XBO (for sake of arguement). Same applies here.

Obviously Sony didn't get serious about 1st party games until the 360, there were more exclusive 3rd party games on PS2 then not.

You have high hopes for a company which has a history of ripping people off where possible. Plus if Microsoft only has 3-4 years to debut all their exclusives (from history) and a year has past and the quality of the exclusives is about par with PS4, then all that means is that in 2-3 years time the XBO is going to start sagging behind. Plus once the Japanese are finished with the PS3, then you'll see a lot of 8+/10 exclusives start to appear on PS4.

lol look at how many times microsoft changed course before the release of xbox one that alone makes your statement invalid.
How? Microsoft was at first very resistant to changing their policies until they were esentially forced to do so.

Companies change all the time if it looks like it will affect their bottom line microsoft is not immune from this, neither is sony or nintendo.  Console exclusive= only available on one home console.  People considered final fantasy 7 for playstation an exclusive back in the day despite the fact that it could be bought on pc.  For whatever reason once microsoft started getting console exclusives now it does not count because it's on pc.
Doesn't count because most of XB's non Halo/Gears/Forza exclusives are available on PC. FFVII was exclusive on PS1/PC, but most PS1/PS2/PS3 exclusives were only available on PS consoles.

Yes so you agree that microsoft destroying the monopoly sony had in the gaming industry was a good thing because it forced them to focus on first party games.
Competition makes better products. Yes I agree

I have high hopes for all of the consoles in general but make no mistake sony will rip you off just as quick as microsoft and so will nintendo. None of them are different in that regard.
Are you sure? Sony doesn't have a history of ripping people off. Even now, while some PS4 games require PS+ for online, many big games don't (e.g. Elder Scrolls Online and Destiny). Nintendo is much the same, you can used a Gamecube Power Adaptor on a NES and you can still order replacement parts for any Nintendo console.

And game quality has always been subjective in my instance the only ps4 exlcusive I have is infamous while I have killer instinct, forza 5, and ryse for xbox one so in my case xbox is ahead.
That's true, but Ryse is a 6/10 game on metacritic....It also furthur annoys me because it was suppose to be a 360 game. Why did MS abandon the 360 so fast? I mean PS3 still got GT6, TLoU, Beyond: Two Souls + 5 or 6 JRPG's.

I agree you may start to see some of the smaller japanese titles be exclusive but it won't be 8 to 10 since japan cares mostly about portables now and the japanese games that are most popular in the west final fantasy, metal gear solid, resident evil etc will always be multi platform for this generation.
Yea, but does this make smaller games like Ni No Kuni, Valkyria Chronicles, the whole Tales of series, Drakengard, etc not important? I know I bought my 360 when it was getting all the JRPG support it saw in 2007-2009, I'm sure many people like me will do the same for PS4.

It's just Microsoft can't pay publishers to stay exclusive anymore. That's one of the biggest reasons the 360 stopped seeing so many exclusives after 2009. I don't see Microsoft expanding their 1st party lineup very much, I see them being very rigid (like Nintendo).

Sony on the other hand well Naughty Dog just made TLoU, Guerilla Games (Killzone) are already working on a new IP, Santa Monica (God of War) are introducing The Order, Evolution Studios (Motorstorm) is making Drive Club, etc....it's pretty much a guarentee that the PS4 will offer more then just sequels (although a GT7 would be more then appreciated).

Towards the end of last generation there were plenty of reports of Microsoft buying up and creating new studios what are they going to be doing with all the new staff if not making new game ips?

Nintendo gets a lot of flack for not expanding their 1st party lineup very much but they do create plenty of new ip's just off the top of my head some new ips for the wii were wii sports, xenoblade, pandora's tower, dynamic slash, the last story (nintendo owns the ip) etc.  The problem is most people don't buy the games and then they complain that nintendo just release mario, metroid, and zelda.

You leave out before Naughty Dog released TLou they made 3 Uncharted games so in year 7 of the ps3 they finally released something new.  Before that they developed 4 crash bandicoot games for the ps1.  After spending the entire ps2, psp and ps3 generation focused on killzone Guerilla Games is finally making something new for ps4.  The same goes with Santa Monica after spending the entire ps2, psp and ps3 generation making God of War they are finally making something new.

So the trend seems to be that whatever new ip's sony introduce at the beginning of the gen are the same titles that we will see for most or the entire generation from those developers.  So we are going to see The Order 1-3, Drive Club 1-3, TLou Remaster and 2, Uncharted 4-6 etc based on their previous history.

GT7 is definitely going to happen since GT is their billion dollar ip and millions will be buy it when it's released myself included.  Yes Sony does a good job of creating new Ips and they may be the best at it but they aren't way above the other companies in this regard.





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lostintheodyssey said:

Towards the end of last generation there were plenty of reports of Microsoft buying up and creating new studios what are they going to be doing with all the new staff if not making new game ips?

What did Microsoft do with Rare? Made shovelware.
What about Grounding Inc? Made a bad sequel. Who's to say they changed?

Nintendo gets a lot of flack for not expanding their 1st party lineup very much but they do create plenty of new ip's just off the top of my head some new ips for the wii were wii sports, xenoblade, pandora's tower, dynamic slash, the last story (nintendo owns the ip) etc.  The problem is most people don't buy the games and then they complain that nintendo just release mario, metroid, and zelda.

The Last Story and Pandora's Tower are not developed by Nintendo. XenoBlade and Wii Sports are awesome, but when was the last time Nintendo made a new character like Kirby or Samus? Most of Nintendo's bigger mascots appeared during the NES/SNES era's and since then (except for a few RPG's and Nintendo published games) there have been few new mascots.

You leave out before Naughty Dog released TLou they made 3 Uncharted games so in year 7 of the ps3 they finally released something new.  Before that they developed 4 crash bandicoot games for the ps1.  After spending the entire ps2, psp and ps3 generation focused on killzone Guerilla Games is finally making something new for ps4.  The same goes with Santa Monica after spending the entire ps2, psp and ps3 generation making God of War they are finally making something new.


Uncharted 1 released in 2007 (year 1 for PS3). So after 6 years of making Uncharted's they made a new IP. What did Bungie do after 6 years? They left Microsoft because they were done with Halo. What did Epic do after 7 years? They gave over Gears of War to Microsoft to move on. What else on 360 was a major IP?

Sure Santa Monica & Guerilla games took 2 gens to make a new IP, but at least they did it. 343 doesn't develop anything but Halo, Lionhead is the same with Fable and so is Rare with Kinect Sports.

So the trend seems to be that whatever new ip's sony introduce at the beginning of the gen are the same titles that we will see for most or the entire generation from those developers.  So we are going to see The Order 1-3, Drive Club 1-3, TLou Remaster and 2, Uncharted 4-6 etc based on their previous history.

NOW YOU GET IT! The 360 launched with a good variety of exclusive IP's (Perfect Dark, Kameo, PGR, Amped, Dead or Alive, Full Auto, Chromehounds, Prey, Dead Rising, N3, etc). Every single IP that released within 360's first year either went bust, or multiplatform. Then 360 launched a bunch of "timed exclusives" like Lost Planet and Elder Scrolls, so what does that say about XB1's 3rs party exclusives currently? Titanfall is already following a similar path to Mass Effect where 2 & 3 will be multiplatform.

Based off trends we can expect at least 1 AAA new IP every year for the PS4. Be it Demon Souls, Valkyria Chronicles, Heavy Rain, The Last of Us or InFamous. None of these new IP's were known when PS3 released. Plus we can also expect PS4's lineup to get better and better where XB1 gets worse and worse.

This is why I told you that you can only assume Microsoft will do the same thing they did before at best. You can't assume they are going to change. Like XB1 the 360 started off with a good list of games and now look at it.

GT7 is definitely going to happen since GT is their billion dollar ip and millions will be buy it when it's released myself included.  Yes Sony does a good job of creating new Ips and they may be the best at it but they aren't way above the other companies in this regard.
History says otherwise. When was the last time Microsoft developed a new IP (not Kinect related)? I'll tell you when, it was 8 years ago with Viva Pinyata. Microsoft stopped making new IP's only 2 short years after the 360 released.

P.S. Just wanted to point out a funny trend. I bought all my PS consoles because of GT, and I bought my only XB console (the 360) because of Forza.





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I saw this video a while ago. N64 is teh kingz!



OttoniBastos said:
One of the most nostalgic consoles VS the punchbag of this generations?!

That titles belongs to Wii U. 



x1 will lose every poll. it will lose to the freakin colecovision (PS4 fans will be doing most of the voting against Xbox just to vote against Xbox rather than take the poll properly). online forums are super biased against xbox.

Even knowing that it's sad to see how biased the forum is. I wouldn't expect it to be THIS bad. It just goes to show again.

I bet there is no console X1 could be in a poll since most will just be voting against X1 rather than for any other console...I bet X1 couldn't beat 3D0.

 

But if you posted PS4 against N64 PS4 would win by a landslide. Abnd obviously PS4 isn't that much better than X1, so again that just proves the bias.

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No offence but I thought that the N64 was an overrated system and sure it did have some good games like the original smash and goldeneye 007 but I should easily find the X1 more appealing unless it's sales becomes gamecube bad.