Kasz216 said:
radishhead said:
Scotland only has enough politicians to decide particularly close elections however - historically most votes have been one-sided enough that Scotland's seats wouldn't make a difference one way or the other
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Yeah, guess i'm more used to US super rigidity.
Looking at the 2005 elections, the Torys would of only improved to around 214 Seats.
They went from 194 to 306, that's crazy.
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That's the result of the same crazy first past the post, single seat constituency system that the US and Canada uses,
which distorts the idea that all votes are equal, in fact in many US states that are Republican leaning,
nearly 1.5x as many votes are needed to gain 1 Democratic Party representative as votes are needed to gain 1 Republican representative.
It just happens that when 3rd parties draw significant support the gross failings of such a system become harder to ignore.
Such as Canada which has had Conservative majority governments with less than majority vote support for that party.
But it also shows up in the US, Bush did not win popular vote for Presidency,
and the House of Representative vote has been popularly won by Democrats despite returning large Republican majorities in seats.
The US Senate, despite being less granular (in ratio to population), is MORE representative because it doesn't split the electorate into districts,
which either gerrymandered or "natural" will always create "ghettos" where votes are "wasted" (leading to the 1.5x figure quoted above)
So with or without Scotland, the rest of the UK would have normal motivation to induct a different voting system.
The Lib-Dems tried to do this but did a horrible job conveying why it should be done, beyond that it would benefit themselves,
and they already alienated their own support base by joining with the Conservatives in coalition.
But even if that is not changed, and the winners of the current system have no motivation to change it, all is not lost,
because if one considers the outcome of a Scotland-less UK, with an apparent structural advantage for Conservatives,
then that means that the Conservative constituency then has much less reason to create a unified front vs. a Labor opponent,
which leads to Conservative splinter groups having all the more reason to split off to more clearly pursue their agenda.
The first past the post system will screw that up too, but nonetheless return the system to a state of play...
Possibly at that point motivating enough parties to change the system to a more representative one.
IMHO, the openlist mixed member proportional representation system is ideal, avoiding top down party lists,
retaining a link between each representative and their local district, while keeping each vote equal in value (proportionate outcome).
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FYI, the controversy over currency is a canard, any country can use any currency they want regardless of the issuing country's opinion.
Scotland is already full of Pounds, and can continue using them.
Bosnia has long been using Euros without being a member, likewise for some other countries.
The only issue is having a say in determining interest rates, but potentially losing that say is not really that big of a change,
because as only about 10% of the UK's economy, Scotland's unique situation is just not crucial under the current system.
Scotland in fact will have sovereign ability to regulate banks, control reserve ratio, which have similarly effective importance for monetary policy,
so the remainer of the UK very well may be motivated to allow them a say over interest rates in exchange for unified bank regulation.