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allenmaher said:
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Gravity was the movie of 2013. It will define last year in film forever. The Directing, Cinematography, Visual Effects, and story line were all pretty much perfect. When a movie transports you into the actor's situation as well as Gravity did, that's worthy of extreme praise. 

There's no denying that Gravity is a complete spectacle.

Gravity was not terrible, they got a lot of things right, but they had some very serious math problems.  For a movie based on orbital mechanics, I don't think they pulled out a calculator once.  A cascading debris failure is possible, but here is the thing most non polar orbit satelites orbit in the same direction, meaning the periodicity of the debris field was all wrong.  American space suits fitting through russian doors, poppy cock.  A 13 degree orbital change not at an acending or decending node using only soft landing boosters, pure fantasy (a few hundred m/s delta v will get you no where near that).  And what pray tell caused the chinese station to fall from orbit so quickly.... unless they scuttled the thing (no evidence of that) it is also fantasy.  It takes an hour to get out of a space suit by yourself.  The orbital alignments were impossible.  Jetpacks don't have that much fuel.  Clooney letting go after they stopped stupid... just plain stupid what pray tell was then pulling on him in micro gravity after the interial force had been overcome? Jesus? or jus deus ex machina?

I enjoyed 12 years a slave more, it is at least based on real people and events.   The events depicted in gravity could never happen, ever!

It was pretty cinamatography.

I agree with all that. However the scene with Clooney letting go is actually plausible if you see it through from the beginning. They veer of in different directions when they get separated. She gets caught in the netting and her forward momentum is transferred to a circular path on the rope, which allows her to intercept Clooney. The law of motion dictates that she should transfer some of that circular momentum after grabbing on to Clooney, who should come along with her on a circular path. So it's the centripetal force that's still at work.
But then all goes wrong. They film it in such a way that it appears they're not moving at all, her circular orbit seems to be gone right as she grabs onto Clooney's safety line. And after he let's go, she should still continue on her circular path, not bounce straight back to the ISS. Badly fudged up scene. But it becomes clear what probably happened after you watch the extras. Somebody probably calculated it all through to make it plausible and then got pushed aside in favor of the best shot. It happened with a lot of things in the movie. I guess that's what best directing is for...

Anyway for a movie trying to be realistic there's just so much wrong with it. Clooney's jetpack exhaust would have damaged the solar panels with all that messing around at the start. The fire extinguishers used in space are far smaller, not all that useful for travel. Fire doesn't spread that fast on the ISS. Why is there so much stuff floating around inside ISS, and who brings braces to space? Soyuz is a lot smaller inside, certainly no room to maneuver to put a space suit on. They have the excercise equipment tied to the wall in the ISS instead of bolted, because the vibrations from the astronauts will damage the solar panels, yet the Soyuz jerking on the station and firing rockets at it has no effect. Nevermind you can't deploy the parachute while it's docked, the 4 parachutes are inside the Soyuz.
This is what it really looks like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doN4t5NKW-k Check out that hair in space!



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bananaking21 said:
teigaga said:
bananaking21 said:

or media still portrays it to be a big issue. racism will never end in the US because the media will never let it, but hey what can you do, racism sells, it makes money. 

lol, racism is real...

it is, im not saying it isnt. bot no where as big as media makes it to be. 

I don't know, I know a lot of people who would disagree. We're not necessarily talking KKK type racism, but subtle, unitentional discrimination. Anyway regardless of the issue I do think that there are good and bad ways for the media to go about discussing it.



I loved Gravity, but Her was my favourite movie of the year. It was one of the best, most thought-provoking sci-fis I've ever seen, whereas Gravity was an awesome spectacle as you said, but it didn't stick with me like Her did.



I disliked Gravity. I saw it on 3D with high expectations. Waiting to be blown out. The effects were awesome, but that was it.
The characters were shallow and dumb, the story non-existant. I give it won Best director. It takes skill to direct a movie with just 2 characters, all in front of the green screen, but it wasn't a better movie than 12 years.



Tyto_alba said:
I disliked Gravity. I saw it on 3D with high expectations. Waiting to be blown out. The effects were awesome, but that was it.
The characters were shallow and dumb, the story non-existant. I give it won Best director. It takes skill to direct a movie with just 2 characters, all in front of the green screen, but it wasn't a better movie than 12 years.

Actually there was no green screen. The whole movie was made first in Previs, every camera movement planned beforehand. Then they invented a whole bunch of stuff to get the characters faces lit correctly and pasted into the helmets. Repurposed car manufacturing robot arm for the camera, rotating harness for the actors, light cage to simulate the fast moving light, remote controlled puppeteer wire system for the inside shots.
The behind the scenes footage is quite fascinating to watch. Which is kind of the problem with the movie, the making of is far more interesting than the movie itself, and you can't help but think they wasted all that tech on such a simple plot.

It's very cool to watch it all in movement linked to the previs video


http://l.yimg.com/os/publish-images/movies/2014-02-24/3c24d410-9d83-11e3-9aa6-cbbcf0c29a92_gravity_suit_gif.gif" width="500" height="282">



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Gravity is a damn good movie. But seriously, 7 Oscars ? What the fuck ? I mean, come on, it's great, but it's not a masterpiece. Not at all.

And the Best Director award ? Really ? I mean, just as an example, the single-sequence shot in the beginning is pretty amazing, but it's freaking computer-made...



Just because you have an opinion doesn't mean you are necessarily right.

SvennoJ said:


The behind the scenes footage is quite fascinating to watch. Which is kind of the problem with the movie, the making of is far more interesting than the movie itself, and you can't help but think they wasted all that tech on such a simple plot.


This guy sums it up nicely in his review, calling it yet another destruction derby:

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/lookingcloser/2013/10/gravity-2013-or-dr-stone-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-space-walk/



While i enjoyed gravity and agree with it being a technical accomplishment, i find Clooney and Sandra ruined the movie, this movie would of benefited greatly from non established actors Clooney playing Clooney as just a terrible choice it took away from the drama , i also agree that 12 years a slave might be overrated but given the nominees it was the only logical choice, i am sure gravity will win the more fan based awards.



SvennoJ said:
allenmaher said:
NintendoPie said:

Gravity was the movie of 2013. It will define last year in film forever. The Directing, Cinematography, Visual Effects, and story line were all pretty much perfect. When a movie transports you into the actor's situation as well as Gravity did, that's worthy of extreme praise. 

There's no denying that Gravity is a complete spectacle.

Gravity was not terrible, they got a lot of things right, but they had some very serious math problems.  For a movie based on orbital mechanics, I don't think they pulled out a calculator once.  A cascading debris failure is possible, but here is the thing most non polar orbit satelites orbit in the same direction, meaning the periodicity of the debris field was all wrong.  American space suits fitting through russian doors, poppy cock.  A 13 degree orbital change not at an acending or decending node using only soft landing boosters, pure fantasy (a few hundred m/s delta v will get you no where near that).  And what pray tell caused the chinese station to fall from orbit so quickly.... unless they scuttled the thing (no evidence of that) it is also fantasy.  It takes an hour to get out of a space suit by yourself.  The orbital alignments were impossible.  Jetpacks don't have that much fuel.  Clooney letting go after they stopped stupid... just plain stupid what pray tell was then pulling on him in micro gravity after the interial force had been overcome? Jesus? or jus deus ex machina?

I enjoyed 12 years a slave more, it is at least based on real people and events.   The events depicted in gravity could never happen, ever!

It was pretty cinamatography.

I agree with all that. However the scene with Clooney letting go is actually plausible if you see it through from the beginning. They veer of in different directions when they get separated. She gets caught in the netting and her forward momentum is transferred to a circular path on the rope, which allows her to intercept Clooney. The law of motion dictates that she should transfer some of that circular momentum after grabbing on to Clooney, who should come along with her on a circular path. So it's the centripetal force that's still at work.
But then all goes wrong. They film it in such a way that it appears they're not moving at all, her circular orbit seems to be gone right as she grabs onto Clooney's safety line. And after he let's go, she should still continue on her circular path, not bounce straight back to the ISS. Badly fudged up scene. But it becomes clear what probably happened after you watch the extras. Somebody probably calculated it all through to make it plausible and then got pushed aside in favor of the best shot. It happened with a lot of things in the movie. I guess that's what best directing is for...

Anyway for a movie trying to be realistic there's just so much wrong with it. Clooney's jetpack exhaust would have damaged the solar panels with all that messing around at the start. The fire extinguishers used in space are far smaller, not all that useful for travel. Fire doesn't spread that fast on the ISS. Why is there so much stuff floating around inside ISS, and who brings braces to space? Soyuz is a lot smaller inside, certainly no room to maneuver to put a space suit on. They have the excercise equipment tied to the wall in the ISS instead of bolted, because the vibrations from the astronauts will damage the solar panels, yet the Soyuz jerking on the station and firing rockets at it has no effect. Nevermind you can't deploy the parachute while it's docked, the 4 parachutes are inside the Soyuz.
This is what it really looks like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doN4t5NKW-k Check out that hair in space!


The centripital force generated by that rate of rotation is very small (F=m*(v^2/r) or about *~575 kg*((~2 m/s)^2/~20 m) or ~= 115 N on a steel braided tether line rated at orders of manitude more than that force (4893 N acording to NASA).  People in space suits are heavy and I used two of them in the calculation.  Even that paper napkin calculation says centirptal is not a likely cause of imminent tether failure.

12 years a slave on the other hand tells an actual human experience that has been checked out by historians and is in large measure accurate.  The best movie won... the one that did thier homework.  And yes I agree with the space limitations, the soyuz is not a roomy vehicle. That is a really great video link to the ISS/Soyuz, a great guided tour.



allenmaher said:
SvennoJ said:

I agree with all that. However the scene with Clooney letting go is actually plausible if you see it through from the beginning. They veer of in different directions when they get separated. She gets caught in the netting and her forward momentum is transferred to a circular path on the rope, which allows her to intercept Clooney. The law of motion dictates that she should transfer some of that circular momentum after grabbing on to Clooney, who should come along with her on a circular path. So it's the centripetal force that's still at work.
But then all goes wrong. They film it in such a way that it appears they're not moving at all, her circular orbit seems to be gone right as she grabs onto Clooney's safety line. And after he let's go, she should still continue on her circular path, not bounce straight back to the ISS. Badly fudged up scene. But it becomes clear what probably happened after you watch the extras. Somebody probably calculated it all through to make it plausible and then got pushed aside in favor of the best shot. It happened with a lot of things in the movie. I guess that's what best directing is for...

Anyway for a movie trying to be realistic there's just so much wrong with it. Clooney's jetpack exhaust would have damaged the solar panels with all that messing around at the start. The fire extinguishers used in space are far smaller, not all that useful for travel. Fire doesn't spread that fast on the ISS. Why is there so much stuff floating around inside ISS, and who brings braces to space? Soyuz is a lot smaller inside, certainly no room to maneuver to put a space suit on. They have the excercise equipment tied to the wall in the ISS instead of bolted, because the vibrations from the astronauts will damage the solar panels, yet the Soyuz jerking on the station and firing rockets at it has no effect. Nevermind you can't deploy the parachute while it's docked, the 4 parachutes are inside the Soyuz.
This is what it really looks like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doN4t5NKW-k Check out that hair in space!


The centripital force generated by that rate of rotation is very small (F=m*(v^2/r) or about *~575 kg*((~2 m/s)^2/~20 m) or ~= 115 N on a steel braided tether line rated at orders of manitude more than that force (4893 N acording to NASA).  People in space suits are heavy and I used two of them in the calculation.  Even that paper napkin calculation says centirptal is not a likely cause of imminent tether failure.

12 years a slave on the other hand tells an actual human experience that has been checked out by historians and is in large measure accurate.  The best movie won... the one that did thier homework.  And yes I agree with the space limitations, the soyuz is not a roomy vehicle. That is a really great video link to the ISS/Soyuz, a great guided tour.

The tether failed earlier on a fragile solar panel array, not believable either.
The drama was that her leg was slipping out of the parachute cords, unconvincingly. (Everything with that parachute was just plain wrong, but the cloth animation in space demo looked great, priorities...) They should have been fine on that long of a line, indeed a very small force, sustained by him drifting away very slowly. The little distance she needed to pull him in to be able to grab the line would not have made a difference. Or they could have waited until they swung around and hit the station at a different point.

They also use the cliche of how enyoyable the silence is in space. What struck me on that ISS tour is what a noisy environment that is, and in the space suit you're still surround by fans for life support and the radio. I guess compared to the ISS it is quite peaceful in a space suit.