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thismeintiel on 24 February 2014
Imaginedvl said:
thismeintiel said:
Imaginedvl said:

Yah because we all know other racing games have 3D models for the crowd, rihgt?... Like it would be any usefull... Get real for a second...

GT6 does.  So does Grid.  And even GT PSP has some 3D crowds, as well.  Of course, we can just choose to ignore that these are supposed to be next gen machines, and continue to use assets from the PS1 era.  Like 2D walls of trees and 2D cutout crowds.  No need to move forward. 

I believe you are wrong. But that's okay.

Considering what I said was fact, I'm not sure why I am wrong.



 

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game_on on 24 February 2014

Well I'm still exited about the cloud, dedicated servers is something consoles could really need. I'm fed up with that lame peer to peer system the Xbox 360 games mostly (or always?) use.



GamechaserBE on 24 February 2014
FlamingWeazel said:
GamechaserBE said:
FlamingWeazel said:
Imaginedvl said:
daredevil.shark said:
AwakeandAlive said:


On the next gen power difference:

“Let’s be clear about this: Xbox One fully supports 1080p at 60 frames-per-second,” said Eagle. “Forza Motosport 5 is an example of a game that delivers on that. It’s up to individual developers to determine what is the best balance in order to deliver the best experience to gamers. No longer can you measure or talk about power in terms of pixels and polygon counts. Performance in this era comes from three areas: hardware, software and the cloud.

 

Yeah. Forza 5 supports 1080p 60fps. Reality is "crystal clear".

 

 

 

 

 

Yah because we all know other racing games have 3D models for the crowd, rihgt?... Like it would be any usefull... Get real for a second...

Even without the crowds the game is underrwhelming visually...downplaying doesn't change that. Only hurts his point. Compare that to Killzone in 1080p.......

Horrible game in 1080p, really I wished it was 720 with better gameplay.  Gameplay should never sacrifice for a better resolution/graphics..

A game can have both...With regards to ps4, x1 and multiplats the game plays identical on both, with one always looking and runing better. This is a thread about graphics not gameplay, typical strawman argument. Deflection and damage control.

Damage control for what when I only have a PS4 and have KZ? Yes sorry I enjoy my PS4 but I am not going to downplay other consoles games.





TheBlackNaruto on 24 February 2014

Well they took the Sony PS3 route and now they are learning just like Sony did. Nothing wrong with that...I just hope they come out with some great games and have some great announcements at E3!



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S.T.A.G.E. on 24 February 2014
Mad55 said:
Microsoft says they have learned from mistakes. Sony fans come into thread to shit on them.


Microsoft knew what they were doing and they knew it would be controversial. They fixed that but they also need to fix the missing parts of the UI. They also need to make up with games for the dropped title they just replaced with Gears from Black Tusk. Gears of War is already a system seller in my eyes for the Xbox one, but their mind is somewhere else when gaming is where they should be. Targeting an aging audience with cable? Yeah...right.



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ChristianTheAtheist on 24 February 2014
daredevil.shark said:
AwakeandAlive said:


On the next gen power difference:

“Let’s be clear about this: Xbox One fully supports 1080p at 60 frames-per-second,” said Eagle. “Forza Motosport 5 is an example of a game that delivers on that. It’s up to individual developers to determine what is the best balance in order to deliver the best experience to gamers. No longer can you measure or talk about power in terms of pixels and polygon counts. Performance in this era comes from three areas: hardware, software and the cloud.

 

Yeah. Forza 5 supports 1080p 60fps. Reality is "crystal clear".

 

 


lol, that looks super-cheap!!! I can't believe they're still speaking about their stupid cloud as a defense for the lack of power of their console.



freedquaker on 24 February 2014
Imaginedvl said:
Xenostar said:
Talking down TV, talking up Games, smells like a foundation for Kinectless SKU

I cannot believe you are still spiting this non-sense out... Kinectless Xbox One will not happen; just stop hoping.

I don't think MS wants to release a Kinectless SKU either but MS is a very practical company so they will ACT somehow in a direction which is not far off. Now let's analyze...

a) They know that XB1 is too expensive currently. Regardless of what they would (politically) claim regarding the value of XB1, people just don't buy it (the claim). A price decrease WILL come. The question is when? Microsoft is also a realistic company, so they won't bring a straightforward price decrease this soon. But they will either price discriminate (perfectly legal) like bundling a free accessory or a game or (and effectively decrease the price by $60 to some), or go by unofficial price discounts (as in Europe) etc...

b) Kinect cannot go away, this would have unprecendented backlash and worse future repercussions. However, they may HIDE the Kinect. In other words, they may integrate the Kinect into the machine, which is both cost saving and more convenient. So I believe there is a good chance we will see an XB1 SKU with an integrated Kinect in the future revision sold for $399. This way, they will both keep the Kinect (and their integrity) by saving money and passing it on to the customers, the main reason for which is to boost the demand.

This way, Kinect will still be on the table for those who exclusively want its functionality but it will not be the focus and so disturbing to those who dislike, and the machine will be cheaper to manufacture as a whole. But we need 1-2 years for this to happen (if any).



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Europe     => XB1 : 23-24 % vs PS4 : 76-77%
N. America => XB1 :  49-52% vs PS4 : 48-51%
Global     => XB1 :  32-34% vs PS4 : 66-68%

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deadly2choke on 24 February 2014
FlamingWeazel said:
walsufnir said:
FlamingWeazel said:
Why do MS keep talking about the power diff and trying to spin? Forza is a terrible example as look how downgraded that game is to get to 1080p and 60 FPS. They should just focus on the strengths of the console, their spin all the time makes it even worse. Cringe worthy bad PR spin, people are not idiots.


Nice to see you again, but still you are just repeating the self over and over and over again... it's getting boring, seriously.

You are still flaming and crying, good job and great contribution.

i think he has special feelings for you



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selnor1983 on 24 February 2014
Exile1987 said:
ESRAM is one of things that didn't work...

Not really that it hasnt worked. Its more to do with the SDK wasnt friendly to it. Which is apparantly addressed this month in the new SDK roll out. I guess games releasing this xmas and beyond will tell if the developers are right about Parity.



FlamingWeazel on 24 February 2014
selnor1983 said:
Exile1987 said:
ESRAM is one of things that didn't work...

Not really that it hasnt worked. Its more to do with the SDK wasnt friendly to it. Which is apparantly addressed this month in the new SDK roll out. I guess games releasing this xmas and beyond will tell if the developers are right about Parity.


Again there is no parity..PS4 has a better gpu priod...No amount of anything can change that there will never be parity, hardware is hardware.