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The PS4's power seems...

Better, but not THAT much better anymore... 241 15.42%
 
Are you crazy?! The PS4 is GOD! 349 22.33%
 
The Wii U is clearly unde... 741 47.41%
 
The PS4 is selling better... 36 2.30%
 
I think I'll be buying a... 191 12.22%
 
Total:1,558
JoeTheBro on 24 February 2014
starworld said:
JoeTheBro said:
Faust said:
just a question

do you really think these game cant be done on ps360?

X sure couldn't since the Wii U has four times the ram as PS360. That really helps with making an open world game seem populated. Bayo is too early to judge. At the moment it looks pretty impressive considering it's 60fps, but we'll have to see how the final game plays out.

The WII U only has 2 times the ram of the HD twins, 1 GB is reserved for the OS and 1gb is for gaming, GTAV looks much better then X graphically and is way more populated.  the extra ram would would help with some better textures, and not much else since wiiu GPU is not a big step up from the HD twins.

Don't forget that the HD twins also reserve RAM.



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fatslob-:O on 24 February 2014
JoeTheBro said:
starworld said:
JoeTheBro said:
Faust said:
just a question

do you really think these game cant be done on ps360?

X sure couldn't since the Wii U has four times the ram as PS360. That really helps with making an open world game seem populated. Bayo is too early to judge. At the moment it looks pretty impressive considering it's 60fps, but we'll have to see how the final game plays out.

The WII U only has 2 times the ram of the HD twins, 1 GB is reserved for the OS and 1gb is for gaming, GTAV looks much better then X graphically and is way more populated.  the extra ram would would help with some better textures, and not much else since wiiu GPU is not a big step up from the HD twins.

Don't forget that the HD twins also reserve RAM.

They reserve less than 64mb I think ...



starworld on 24 February 2014
JoeTheBro said:
starworld said:
JoeTheBro said:
Faust said:
just a question

do you really think these game cant be done on ps360?

X sure couldn't since the Wii U has four times the ram as PS360. That really helps with making an open world game seem populated. Bayo is too early to judge. At the moment it looks pretty impressive considering it's 60fps, but we'll have to see how the final game plays out.

The WII U only has 2 times the ram of the HD twins, 1 GB is reserved for the OS and 1gb is for gaming, GTAV looks much better then X graphically and is way more populated.  the extra ram would would help with some better textures, and not much else since wiiu GPU is not a big step up from the HD twins.

Don't forget that the HD twins also reserve RAM.

yea but its only 32mb



supernihilist on 24 February 2014
starworld said:
supernihilist said:
starworld said:
JoeTheBro said:
Faust said:
just a question

do you really think these game cant be done on ps360?

X sure couldn't since the Wii U has four times the ram as PS360. That really helps with making an open world game seem populated. Bayo is too early to judge. At the moment it looks pretty impressive considering it's 60fps, but we'll have to see how the final game plays out.

The WII U only has 2 times the ram of the HD twins, 1 GB is reserved for the OS and 1gb is for gaming, GTAV looks much better then X graphically and is way more populated.  the extra ram would would help with some better textures, and not much else since wiiu GPU is not a big step up from the HD twins.


in which context?

i dont know about X but GTAV on PS3 runs sloppy as hell an has a really ugly aliasing.

and more populated?? have you seen those monsters on X??? theyre huge, varied, numerous and detailed.


it looks better in every context and X looks to have worse aliasing based on the footage we saw. I dont know how the performance is in X though since it's not out.


VS

 

I fail to see where the MUCH BETTER really is LOL

i even helped your cause posting GTAV bullshots as the real game looks like a  aliased mess



starworld on 24 February 2014

 Here are some HD pics so we can have a good comparison.

 



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supernihilist on 24 February 2014
starworld said:
supernihilist said:
starworld said:
supernihilist said:
starworld said:
JoeTheBro said:
Faust said:
just a question

do you really think these game cant be done on ps360?

X sure couldn't since the Wii U has four times the ram as PS360. That really helps with making an open world game seem populated. Bayo is too early to judge. At the moment it looks pretty impressive considering it's 60fps, but we'll have to see how the final game plays out.

The WII U only has 2 times the ram of the HD twins, 1 GB is reserved for the OS and 1gb is for gaming, GTAV looks much better then X graphically and is way more populated.  the extra ram would would help with some better textures, and not much else since wiiu GPU is not a big step up from the HD twins.


in which context?

i dont know about X but GTAV on PS3 runs sloppy as hell an has a really ugly aliasing.

and more populated?? have you seen those monsters on X??? theyre huge, varied, numerous and detailed.


it looks better in every context and X looks to have worse aliasing based on the footage we saw. I dont know how the performance is in X though since it's not out.


VS

 

I fail to see where the MUCH BETTER really is LOL

i even helped your cause posting GTAV bullshots as the real game looks like a  aliased mess

 

 

 

 

LOL nice comparison, fair and square, you beat me to it...



starworld on 24 February 2014

 

 

 


you  comparsion is horrible at least post HD pics, you posted small pics that are not even 420p and one was from  cut scene. post some 720p gameplay pics of X.



supernihilist on 24 February 2014
starworld said:

 

 

 


you  comparsion is horrible at least post HD pics, you posted small pics that are not even 420p and one was from  cut scene. post some 720p gameplay pics of X.


The first image is gameplay. who cares about pic size. both are clearly representative of the graphic engine that X uses. Same for GTAV, and i fail to see any meaningfull difference. i actually think X looks better than GTAV. since the latter runs like crap at sub HD



starworld on 24 February 2014
supernihilist said:
starworld said:

 

 

 


you  comparsion is horrible at least post HD pics, you posted small pics that are not even 420p and one was from  cut scene. post some 720p gameplay pics of X.


The first image is gameplay. who cares about pic size. both are clearly representative of the graphic engine that X uses. Same for GTAV, and i fail to see any meaningfull difference. i actually think X looks better than GTAV. since the latter runs like crap at sub HD

GTAV is not sub hd its 720p and who knows if X is sub hd, or even runs better then GTAV. and you need hd pics to judge graphics i can post small pics of any game  and it will look great by hiding its flaws.



ZyroXZ2 on 24 February 2014
fatslob-:O said:
ZyroXZ2 said:

You make PC gamers look pretty bad, seriously.  I backed up my claims by analyzing the PS4 using the same standards the Wii U is analyzed with, nothing more, nothing less.  Besides, by your claims with ZERO back up so far, you really could have made up any number you wanted: "The PS4 is 100 times more powerful than the PS3, it'll just take time to get there and use it!".  You look far worse than I do at this point, because I actually brought some numbers and basic logic to the table, even if they aren't wholly representative.  They paint a PS4 more powerful than the PS3, but show that being TEN times more powerful is an obvious stretch, something that has been a proven behavior of Sony with their home consoles.  I mean, you can't seriously tell me you believe that the raw computational power being only 4.5 times as powerful as the PS3 will be MORE THAN DOUBLED TO ACHIEVE 10 by way of higher efficiency memory and greater bandwidth/latency offered by an MCM tapping into 4.5GB of GDDR5!?  Where does all that magical power you're assuming I somehow don't "understand" come from!?  This logic is the SAME logic I argued with Nintendo fanboys about, who also believed that the Wii U had magical power hidden away (hence my joke in that episode about "secret power sauce").  You are doing the same damned thing, except with the PS4.  My ownership of a Wii U is why your goggles aren't very good, because they filter out the words of anyone who owns a Wii U for some reason.

How do I make PC gamers look bad when your the one enlisting in this worthless console war ? Those standards are likely awful seeing as how a great deal of people are clueless to perform a proper analysis on hardware. Why should I back up my claims when it will only go pass your head ? Wow, another ad hominem attack and if the numbers aren't wholly representitive then why are you even trying to reason when you lack the basics ? You wouldn't know if it was an obvious stretch due to the fact that your ignorant about how hardware works. How am I assuming magical power when you don't even know what your getting yourself into ? I didn't say that the PS4 had any hidden secret sauce and way to go on attacking me again. *rolls eyes* Your ownership of the WII U means nothing to the reality brought forth.

Now you know why I started this whole thread in the first place: somehow people have it in their heads that the PS4 is more powerful than it really is and that the Wii U is less powerful than it really is.  Neither side is backed by anything solid.  This is why you don't see me praising the Wii U's graphics, but also why you don't see me praising the PS4's graphics, either.  Read the original post again, I clearly said that what I'm seeing of the Wii U in near-future games is not placing the PS4 on game-changing levels of power above it.  I stand by this statement.

Actually we do have some evidence as to why the WII U is exactly falling quite a bit inline with the last generation HD twins ... How do you explain the fact that both the PS360 are consuming more power than the WII U at the same manufacturing process node ? 

Something to think about: ACIV was claimed to be 1080p@60 on the PS4 prior to launch: http://www.vg247.com/2013/09/10/assassins-creed-4-bridging-the-next-gen-divide/

Where in the article did the developers ever state that AC4 will be 60 fps on the PS4 ? That was on the journalist doing some wishful thinking ...

...But after releasing and receiving a patch, is 1080p@30 up from 900p@30.  If the PS4 is so powerful, why did the game get scaled to HALF the framerate of the original claim?  I'm sure there's ALL kinds of excuses, but this is the kind of thing that Sony fanboys sweep under the rug.  If this was a Nintendo game: "HAH, Wii U is underpowered, weak, can't even do 60 fps, it's going to get blown away by the PS4/XBox1!!!".  This is the double standard that the console wars need to stop.  If people are going to fight over consoles, fight about it consistently, and honestly.  If anything, fight over the games...

That's because the developers didn't say that it was going to be 60 fps ... (Do you even read the crap that you link ?) I couldn't give to shits about double standards seeing as how I'm in the master race now but you on the other hand is getting handed to yourself in your own thread. (Another reason why the PC master race shouldn't do dumbshit such as console wars.)

The only people who say "I won't bother explaining because you wouldn't understand" are people with nothing to explain, and are generally losing the argument they began.  You are losing this one.  At this point, I will stop, not because you make any sense at all, but because I would be kicking a dead horse at this point.

There was no argument to begin with ... Me and JoeTheBro were pointing out the fact you didn't know you're saying ... If you have to claim victory over a strawman to lit up that e-peen of yours then so be it.

Yup, you continue to have nothing to back yourself up, and continue name-calling with no logic whatsoever.  You continue to hide under the pretense that I don't understand, but provide nothing that demonstrates your own.  You're devolving PC gamers right now, we're the types that rely on numbers and figures to measure anything and everything, that's why we spend hours overclocking and benchmarking.

Weren't you just complaining about numbers not meaning everything, but now you're using power draw?  All measurements of power draw of all systems have been done AT THE SOCKET, which reduces the accuracy of the representation of the system's overall power (essentially, you're also using numbers not wholly representative of the systems).  People are still GUESSING what the power draw of the GPU is in the Wii U.  Of course, with Nintendo's engineering target of low power and high efficiency, the system utilizes a meager 75 watt power brick, and draw at the socket on NSMBU and other early launch games has been measured around 35 watts during gaming.  What makes it so hard to compare the two is that the PS4 IDLES at 90 watts.  The PS4 takes almost triple the power of the Wii U to just sit at the menu.  However, to address your comparison to the last generation:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-wii-u-is-the-green-console

And then about the Wii U's power supply: http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Wii-U-Memory-Bandwidth-GPU-More-Powerful-Than-We-Thought-62437-p2.html

While I take that GamesBlend article with a grain of salt for its lack of proper reference to 1080p games on the Wii U, the power supply numbers check out on a logical level.  If the Wii U has, say, up to 50 watts for games, and the PS4 has up to 150 watts (again, in your favor, I'm raising the PS4's numbers to give your arguments the edge, of which your side still never holds up), then the PS4, BY YOUR POWER DRAW LOGIC, is only three times as powerful as the Wii U.  WHOOO, such a BIG GAP, right?  On a side note unrelated to the argument, something I noticed about the Wii U is that its idle power and gaming power were very close when tested.  This leads me to believe that the Wii U is always engaging the CPU and GPU at a full power state even when not in use (or marginally in use).  That's always bothered me in particular, since that lack of a lower power state goes against their engineering targets for "high efficiency"...

And by the way: https://www.psu.com/a020967/PS4-Xbox-One-Assassins-Creed-IV-is-60fps-at-a-much-higher-resolution-than-current-gen?page=2

It says Tim Browne confirmed 60 fps.

You aren't going to win this, I keep coming with numbers, articles and all you do is devolve yourself into calling BS on everything and saying I don't understand.  I said I'd stop, and yet here I am kicking you while you're down.  I will stop from this point forward, regardless of your response, for your sake.



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