And that's where you're wrong.  The Wii U does NOT come close to deserving all of its negativity, that's just a bandwagon.

Whether or not it's bandwagon it clearly deserves it seeing as how nintendo made a terrible image for it.

So, we're back to Pikmin 3 when I was clearly talking about SM3DW, which, as I stated, has barely any polygon edges (the Savannah is almost the only level with clear corners).  But on Pikmin 3, who said I JUST noticed them?  In fact, I was one of the guys complaining about the ground textures in Pikmin 3 in particular.

Doesn't matter if you were stating pikmin 3 or not because almost every game on the WII U will have polygonal edges including SM3DW. Lower resolution textures are easy to spot but not everyone will be able to spot aliasing or artifacts. 

Ya know, one of my friends warned me, he said "you'd better be careful with your mission, Sony fanboys go on the offensive far worse than Nintendo fanboys overly praise Nintendo and its games".  He was right, lol... If you say anything OTHER than praise for the PS4, the Sony fanboys go on the attack and start trying to discredit you immediately.

Anecdotes means nothing to me but the fact that you brought it up while accusing others of being biased just goes to show that your probably no better than those Sony fanboys you claim.

Soooo, BACK on topic, since defending myself personally does nothing but stir up more attacks, I'll go back to the systems.  There's MORE saying the PS4 is NOT 10 times as powerful as the PS3 than there is confirming it.  This is why I don't buy it one bit just because Sony said so.

You are not defending yourself. You went about slamming JoeTheBro and gave no reasons to back up your conspiring claims that Sony was lying.

So let's play...  Let's suppose NVIDIA is at fault for the wrong numbers.  The PS3's GPU is heavily assisted by the CPU (it really is quite a unique setup), so let's remove that assistance.  Let's also take some low numbers for the PS3.  Let's say the CPU provides 100 GFLOPS instead, and the GPU is providing 200 GFLOPS (these are pretty low numbers, which works in favor of painting the PS4 as more powerful): that's a 300 GFLOP system.  300 x 10 is a 3 TFLOP system.  The PS4 is a 2 TFLOP system.  There is no TEN TIMES THE POWER ANY WAY YOU SPIN THIS!  Go ahead, call me all the names you want, take the high road, act like I'm a fanboy, ANYTHING you want.  I just went with some SERIOUSLY low numbers on the PS3, and 10 times those numbers are STILL far beyond the PS4.  The ENTIRE PS3 system needs to be under 200 GFLOPS to have an argument here.

Graphics Power is MORE than just floating point operations! It is a COMBINATION of other factors such as fillrates and bottlenecks.

This just shows that you JoeTheBro is right when you don't have a clue of what your talking about in the world of hardware.

So instead of attacking me and claiming I have goggles on, why don't you take yours off and try to find a way to show me that the PS4 IS ten times as powerful than the PS3 other than just "stated" by Sony?

You do have goggles on ... Why should I waste time trying to explain this to you when you lack the initial knowledge needed to understand. Just go with Sony's statement instead of asking for an explanation.

Edit: Bah, typos

The Wii U GPU is quite unlike the PS3 and 360's, which are the basis of the engines used in Wii U multiplatform games. Round peg, square hole.

And PS3/360's bottlenecks are not difficult anymore because game engines have long since been designed to cope with them and maximise the hardware's strengths. There's been no such effort to tailor to Wii U though, so it gets engines that neither compensate for its weaknesses nor maximise its strengths; in other words, engines that do not utilise its full capabilties.

how is that  developers fault, 360/ps3 have been out for 7-8 years with an install base of 160 million thats why they engines tailored for them, not to mention even crappy graphic cards can run 360/ps3 games better with out any effort. but you defend the wiiu like its one of your family members.

How is it "defending Wii U like a family member" to point out simple, logical common sense; that a system that has not had a single game built from the ground up to push its limits has not demonstrated its full capabilities yet?

And that's where you're wrong.  The Wii U does NOT come close to deserving all of its negativity, that's just a bandwagon.

So, we're back to Pikmin 3 when I was clearly talking about SM3DW, which, as I stated, has barely any polygon edges (the Savannah is almost the only level with clear corners).  But on Pikmin 3, who said I JUST noticed them?  In fact, I was one of the guys complaining about the ground textures in Pikmin 3 in particular.

Ya know, one of my friends warned me, he said "you'd better be careful with your mission, Sony fanboys go on the offensive far worse than Nintendo fanboys overly praise Nintendo and its games".  He was right, lol... If you say anything OTHER than praise for the PS4, the Sony fanboys go on the attack and start trying to discredit you immediately.

Soooo, BACK on topic, since defending myself personally does nothing but stir up more attacks, I'll go back to the systems.  There's MORE saying the PS4 is NOT 10 times as powerful as the PS3 than there is confirming it.  This is why I don't buy it one bit just because Sony said so.

So let's play...  Let's suppose NVIDIA is at fault for the wrong numbers.  The PS3's GPU is heavily assisted by the CPU (it really is quite a unique setup), so let's remove that assistance.  Let's also take some low numbers for the PS3.  Let's say the CPU provides 100 GFLOPS instead, and the GPU is providing 200 GFLOPS (these are pretty low numbers, which works in favor of painting the PS4 as more powerful): that's a 300 GFLOP system.  300 x 10 is a 3 TFLOP system.  The PS4 is a 2 TFLOP system.  There is no TEN TIMES THE POWER ANY WAY YOU SPIN THIS!  Go ahead, call me all the names you want, take the high road, act like I'm a fanboy, ANYTHING you want.  I just went with some SERIOUSLY low numbers on the PS3, and 10 times those numbers are STILL far beyond the PS4.  The ENTIRE PS3 system needs to be under 200 GFLOPS to have an argument here.

So instead of attacking me and claiming I have goggles on, why don't you take yours off and try to find a way to show me that the PS4 IS ten times as powerful than the PS3 other than just "stated" by Sony?

Edit: Bah, typos

we were talking about why ports were being inferior.

using Sony’s claim, 7 dot products per cycle * 3.2 GHz = 22.4 billion dot products per second for the CPU. That leaves 51 ?” 22.4 = 28.6 billion dot products per second that are left over for the GPU. That leaves 28.6 billion dot products per second / 550 MHz = 52 GPU ALU ops per clock.

It is important to note that if the RSX ALUs are similar to the GeForce 6800 ALUs then they work on vector4s, while the Xbox 360 GPU ALUs work on vector5s. The total programmable GPU floating point performance for the PS3 would be 52 ALU ops * 4 floats per op *2 (madd) * 550 MHz = 228.8 GFLOPS which is less than the Xbox 360′s 48 ALU ops * 5 floats per op * 2 (madd) * 500 MHz= 240 GFLOPS.

The Wii U GPU is quite unlike the PS3 and 360's, which are the basis of the engines used in Wii U multiplatform games. Round peg, square hole.

And PS3/360's bottlenecks are not difficult anymore because game engines have long since been designed to cope with them and maximise the hardware's strengths. There's been no such effort to tailor to Wii U though, so it gets engines that neither compensate for its weaknesses nor maximise its strengths; in other words, engines that do not utilise its full capabilties.

The WII Us GPU is quite unlike the PS360s and although the engines as of now are tailored for the PS360. These next gen platforms are just as different and they outperform their own last gen counterparts easily. 

The capabilites are more than just the amount of memory. If the WII U were truly more powerful then it can do just fine with 512mb of memory providing that all other areas of the system is higher such as bandwidth, fillrates, and floating point power. A bigger memory only allows the game to have better and more textures. A games technical feats goes more than beyond just textures. The WII U may not get engines that compensate it's weakness right now but in the very near future there will be no excuses as to why the WII U is performing badly to last gen hd twins since engines are evolving more and more to take advantage of multithreading and compute shading. 

PCs don't get utilized enough as it is and they shit on consoles ALL THE TIME.

Why would OLD engines have to compensate for NEWER hardware to OUTPERFORM the last generation games ?