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Forums - Sales Discussion - January 2014 NPD Thread! - PS4: 271k, XBO: 141k, WiiU: 49k

the-pi-guy said:
GProgrammer said:
the-pi-guy said:

I'm not really sure what's going on with the graphs.  The second one starts at month two and has an added month two.  While the bottom one is moved two months back. 

Edit:  I meant month.


Just adjusted so the months match due to them launching on different months

That's not really the weird thing.  
I'm not sure if it's the program thing or I don't know.  But the starting and the last number is 0.  I'm guessing it's something to do with the program needing all the values for comparision.  

But we go from 0 to a number with a slant like this / and then a slant downward to 0 like this.

The difference is that the graphs really should be [1,18) or  [1,17] when really the graph doesn't really show that, that well.  

Like I said Just adjusted so the months match due to them launching on different months

DC launched 2 months earlier than the WII U

so for the first 2 months they stuck 0 in for wii U sales

This is a fairer method than the 3rd graph which compares

nov wii u vs sep dc = first number

dec wii u vs oct dc = 2nd number, the wii u shoots ahead because dec sells more than oct

jan wii u vs nov dc = 3rd number, the dc shoots ahead cause nov > jan



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Carl2291 said:
JoeTheBro said:

Are you calling Justagamer ignorant?

lol


Whoever it was who was doubting Aquamarine's leaks.

Yes. They were being ignorant. Justagamer eventually got it though.

I agree, but in this case it really was only one person so I found it amusing.



Carl2291 said:

Reading the NPD thread on GAF, it appears that Aquamarine (among others) is actually reading these forums - http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=100938131&postcount=3454

Hello Aquamarine.

Dont take the minority of ignorant users here as a majority. Many people who are actually "in the know", so to say, on sales figures and your general NPD stuff know all about how accurate your leaks are.

That said.

To the other ignorant GAF members who are in that thread, who apparently read these forums and visit this site (funny, when I read about your disdain for VGChartz).

noobie, youre mistaken. We dont hold onto VGChartz numbers as factual numbers. We take them for what they are. Estimations. These estimations are good enough for the likes of Sony and Square Enix, to name a couple of big gaming companies.

We ask about and debate adjustments to the estimations here based on NPD leaks from NeoGAF members. Remove yourself from your high horse.
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IncandescentPrecept, Nintendo had shipped 42.74 Million 3DS systems as of 31st December. VGChartz estimations have the 3DS at 41.79 Million sold as of 28th December. The 3DS numbers for 2013 here arent exactly a problem. Remove yourself from your high horse.

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SwiftDeath, nobody is being mislead. VGChartz gives estimates. That is all. People know what theyre paying for. People know how VGC numbers come about. If people were being swindled, Brett would have been fucked for it a long time ago. Get a grip.

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Aquamarine again. See this is the problem that you GAF lot have. You call people who use the numbers ignorant, yet youre being ignorant yourself. You refuse to look beyond your old hatred of Brett and VGC in general and see what this site is actually doing. Read the (admittedly now outdated) Methodology. Look at the first sentence.

"All sales estimates on VGChartz are arrived at via a number of proprietrary and ever-developing methods"

Additionally, why dont you give this a read? Ill pull out some key parts.

"Every piece of data we report is an estimate. It will always be higher or lower than the actual figure and there will always be some for which the figure is favourable and some for which the figure is not."

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"What VGChartz offers is timely data that isn't meant to be 100% accurate but be in the right range. We don't compete with the likes of NPD, GFK or ChartTrack; we offer a service that is totally different. One that is not based on comprehensive and direct retail tracking, but rather uses modern and alternative methods to quickly arrive at estimates, combined with a database of historical sales - constantly adjusted and tweaked to be as accurate as possible."

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"However, even with the greatest of diligence, our data is still just an estimate so whenever quoting a figure from VGChartz it should be listed as an estimate and readers should be made aware that there is a margin of error associated. With this in mind, VGChartz data is fine for most applications - from a year-on-year genre analysis to first-day estimates for a major title to a ballpark estimate of total sales to date for a given game."

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"Maybe if websites, readers, retailers and major publishers got on board with VGChartz, dismissed the various political reasons they have not to support the site (which could form an editorial of its own) and understood the nature of the data and the insight it gives into the videogame industry to the extent that developers, investors and VGChartz readers seem to appreciate, then maybe the data could improve even further and that way everybody could benefit."

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Now, you see GAF guys. You see that?

If you lot actually understood the data here and werent acting like small minded, ignorant children every time you see "VGChartz", then maybe you would understand what Brett and the team is trying to do. Stop trying to put down the site at any opportunity you get, when youre quite clearly (Amir0x) clueless about the entire project.

Boy. GAF has its uses but the ignorance regarding VGC numbers always manages to grind my gears.


So according to joethebro, you're directing the ignorant jab at me? Because I don't jump at the chance to beleive everyone from the almighty neo gaf?! Ok. First you blow kisses at submarine, then go on a long spiel about high horses and ignorance. And you are "in the know" simply because you believe submarine and creamofwheat's leaks? Alright, the only one on a high horse here is you, and to look even more rediculous first you are kissing submarines ass, then at the end  you turn on her/him like a rabid dog.  Yet I'm the ignorant one, because I don't drink the  kool aid that coffeecream and submarine are serving. I choose to question leaks, that's my prerogative, you really don't have to talk crap. When the real numbers come out, I'll beleive them. Until then, you can ........ Have a good one.



Carl2291 said:
JoeTheBro said:

Are you calling Justagamer ignorant?

lol


Whoever it was who was doubting Aquamarine's leaks.

Yes. They were being ignorant. Justagamer eventually got it though.


I won't say what I think you are, but that is one thing I DEFINATELY got right.

and I still have doubts, but it's great that you attend their church. I really don't get why guys like you practically burst into tears when someone questions something. It's human nature to be skeptical, to question anything and everything. I don't just beleive everything some fool tells me to. When IM convinced, then I'll beleive these leakers. Until then, I'll wait until they've been confirmed. I really don't need some jerk to go postal about it and throw around insults, no matter how much is like to do the same right now.

 

User was banned for this post.

yo_john117



Wow, so since I don't just believe everything like a gullible child, many if you are going to come at me like this, huh? Wow.... Very disappointed right now.... Gang mentality much? Seriously, you are getting defensive simply because I don't believe leaks right away?! That speaks volumes of the character of some....



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Justagamer said:
Wow, so since I don't just believe everything like a gullible child, many if you are going to come at me like this, huh? Wow.... Very disappointed right now.... Gang mentality much? Seriously, you are getting defensive simply because I don't believe leaks right away?! That speaks volumes of the character of some....

Dude ... What's with your attitude in this thread ? 



Justagamer said:
Wow, so since I don't just believe everything like a gullible child, many if you are going to come at me like this, huh? Wow.... Very disappointed right now.... Gang mentality much? Seriously, you are getting defensive simply because I don't believe leaks right away?! That speaks volumes of the character of some....


No big deal you're new here. Older members know that the leaks are accurate because the member leaking them is never wrong. He has access to the data.



fatslob-:O said:
Justagamer said:
Wow, so since I don't just believe everything like a gullible child, many if you are going to come at me like this, huh? Wow.... Very disappointed right now.... Gang mentality much? Seriously, you are getting defensive simply because I don't believe leaks right away?! That speaks volumes of the character of some....

Dude ... What's with your attitude in this thread ? 


Look dude, if you can't see that some here are coming at me, well I can't help you with that. I'm a skeptic of leakers, right or wrong, I'm just skeptical of a lot of things. There's no need for multiple people to come at me calling me ignorant and things like that, so yeah, I'm feeling a tad defensive just for having a skeptical view of leakers. Over time, when I see they are in fact always accurate, then I'll trust them. It's just my nature to question things. Why is everyone seemingly attacking me for my stance on this? I really don't get it. I have to see things for myself, and that can only take time, as more months go by and I can see how accurate they are, not just because some call me ignorant and tell me they are accurate.

how about you guys help me here? Some one show some leaks, and the corresponding npd data, that will go along way to making me see they are trustworthy. I just have to see it to beleive it. Aren't the rest of you the same way? So please, show me some info, so I can get onboard, because it would go a long way. 



Justagamer said:
fatslob-:O said:
Justagamer said:
Wow, so since I don't just believe everything like a gullible child, many if you are going to come at me like this, huh? Wow.... Very disappointed right now.... Gang mentality much? Seriously, you are getting defensive simply because I don't believe leaks right away?! That speaks volumes of the character of some....

Dude ... What's with your attitude in this thread ? 


Look dude, if you can't see that some here are coming at me, well I can't help you with that. I'm a skeptic of leakers, right or wrong, I'm just skeptical of a lot of things. There's no need for multiple people to come at me calling me ignorant and things like that, so yeah, I'm feeling a tad defensive just for having a skeptical view of leakers. Over time, when I see they are in fact always accurate, then I'll trust them. It's just my nature to question things. Why is everyone seemingly attacking me for my stance on this? I really don't get it. I have to see things for myself, and that can only take time, as more months go by and I can see how accurate they are, not just because some call me ignorant and tell me they are accurate.

how about you guys help me here? Some one show some leaks, and the corresponding npd data, that will go along way to making me see they are trustworthy. I just have to see it to beleive it. Aren't the rest of you the same way? So please, show me some info, so I can get onboard, because it would go a long way. 

If your someone new like Talal said then you should just be watching instead of making comments about the leak. It helps to know what's going on first. 



Justagamer said:

So according to joethebro, you're directing the ignorant jab at me? Because I don't jump at the chance to beleive everyone from the almighty neo gaf?! Ok. First you blow kisses at submarine, then go on a long spiel about high horses and ignorance. And you are "in the know" simply because you believe submarine and creamofwheat's leaks? Alright, the only one on a high horse here is you, and to look even more rediculous first you are kissing submarines ass, then at the end  you turn on her/him like a rabid dog.  Yet I'm the ignorant one, because I don't drink the  kool aid that coffeecream and submarine are serving. I choose to question leaks, that's my prerogative, you really don't have to talk crap. When the real numbers come out, I'll beleive them. Until then, you can ........ Have a good one.


Do you even know what it means to be ignorant? Its not a jab. Dont take it so personally.

Aquamarines leaks are legit. They deserve respect for a) having the balls to leak the numbers and b) actually posting them on a forum when people ask. I appreciate that, though it doesnt mean I need to sit around and let them badmouth the site I visit daily. 

Justagamer said:

I won't say what I think you are, but that is one thing I DEFINATELY got right.

and I still have doubts, but it's great that you attend their church. I really don't get why guys like you practically burst into tears when someone questions something. It's human nature to be skeptical, to question anything and everything. I don't just beleive everything some fool tells me to. When IM convinced, then I'll beleive these leakers. Until then, I'll wait until they've been confirmed. I really don't need some jerk to go postal about it and throw around insults, no matter how much is like to do the same right now.


... Burst into tears? I only called you ignorant on the matter.

That said, you yourself eventually figured out - http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6064113 - that the leaks were coming from verified sources.

Again, to calling someone ignorant isnt insulting. You clearly dont know what the word means. It means that youre lacking knowledge. You were lacking knowledge regarding the leaks. You were ignorant about it. Thats a fact. Dont have a pissy fit about it and dont start calling people jerks.

Justagamer said:
Wow, so since I don't just believe everything like a gullible child, many if you are going to come at me like this, huh? Wow.... Very disappointed right now.... Gang mentality much? Seriously, you are getting defensive simply because I don't believe leaks right away?! That speaks volumes of the character of some....


Nobody is "coming at you". Nobody is being defensive, other than yourself.

Step away. Calm down. Come back with a clear head and re-read everything. Nobody is insulting you, nobody is ganging up on you.

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Justagamer said:

how about you guys help me here? Some one show some leaks, and the corresponding npd data, that will go along way to making me see they are trustworthy. I just have to see it to beleive it. Aren't the rest of you the same way? So please, show me some info, so I can get onboard, because it would go a long way. 

There is no corresponding NPD data released, which is why we have to rely on leaks from people such as Aquamarine.

On GAF, the mods verify that the people who leak things are legit, from sales leaks to game leaks to things such as E3 leaks. If they are found to be bullshitters, they are banned. Simple as that.

Aquamarine has legit numbers.