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pezus said:
Again, PS4 owners got lots of free digital games to choose from (Plus or otherwise). The best next-gen exclusive was free for Plus owners, for example.

Are the games for keeps or rental?



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Nsanity said:

It does look quite low compared to the 360 , also what were the digital sales of the PS4?

Nobody knows.... Sony shared the WW numbers for retail + digital: 9.7m... so 5.4m are the games sales for Europe + LA + Asia/ME plus the digital.

What we can guess with these numbers....

1. PS4 sold ~2.2m hardware units outside US.
2. PS4 had a 2.1 attach ratio with Retail in US.
3. Software rate in US is bigger than every other place in the world.

Now the maths using the 2.1 ratio for the places outside US...

2.1 ratio > ~2.2m hardware = ~4.6m software = 800k digital WW
2.0 ratio > ~2.2m hardware = ~4.4m software = 1m digital WW
1.9 ratio > ~2.2m hardware = ~4.2m software = 1.2m digital WW
1.8 ratio > ~2.2m hardware = ~4.0m software = 1.4m digital WW

Everything lies in the software attach rate for the countries outside US... and using the (3) point (US attach rate is bigger than any other country in the world) you can start looking to over 1 million digital sales WW.

1 million digital for 4.2million hardware > 400k digital for 1.8m hardware



ethomaz said:

Nsanity said:

It does look quite low compared to the 360 , also what were the digital sales of the PS4?

Nobody knows.... Sony shared the WW numbers for retail + digital: 9.7m... so 5.4m are the games sales for Europe + LA + Asia/ME plus the digital.

What we can guess with these numbers....

1. PS4 sold ~2.2m hardware units outside US.
2. PS4 had a 2.1 attach ratio with Retail in US.
3. Software rate in US is bigger than every other place in the world.

Now the maths using the 2.1 ratio for the places outside US...

2.1 ratio > ~2.2m hardware = ~4.6m software = 800k digital WW
2.0 ratio > ~2.2m hardware = ~4.4m software = 1m digital WW
1.9 ratio > ~2.2m hardware = ~4.2m software = 1.2m digital WW
1.8 ratio > ~2.2m hardware = ~4.0m software = 1.4m digital WW

Everything lies in the software attach rate for the countries outside US... and using the (3) point (US attach rate is bigger than any other country in the world) you can start looking to over 1 million digital sales WW.

Nobody knows? That's all i needed to hear.



Nsanity said:

That's all i need to hear.

So why did you asked? You need to learn to read what the other write too.



ethomaz said:

Nsanity said:

It does look quite low compared to the 360 , also what were the digital sales of the PS4?

Nobody knows.... Sony shared the WW numbers for retail + digital: 9.7m... so 5.4m are the games sales for Europe + LA + Asia/ME plus the digital.

What we can guess with these numbers....

1. PS4 sold ~2.2m hardware units outside US.
2. PS4 had a 2.1 attach ratio with Retail in US.
3. Software rate in US is bigger than every other place in the world.

Now the maths using the 2.1 ratio for the places outside US...

2.1 ratio > ~2.2m hardware = ~4.6m software = 800k digital WW
2.0 ratio > ~2.2m hardware = ~4.4m software = 1m digital WW
1.9 ratio > ~2.2m hardware = ~4.2m software = 1.2m digital WW
1.8 ratio > ~2.2m hardware = ~4.0m software = 1.4m digital WW

Everything lies in the software attach rate for the countries outside US... and using the (3) point (US attach rate is bigger than any other country in the world) you can start looking to over 1 million digital sales WW.

1 million digital for 4.2million hardware > 400k digital for 1.8m hardware


That 9.7m includes digital? Since when? We have the same numbers here for January 11th. 9.3 from the 4th with 500k raise from the 28th. So that's 3 days from 2013 that have to be accounted for from that 500k. I'd say about 680k digital WW at the end of 2013.



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jlmurph2 said:

That 9.7m includes digital? Since when? We have the same numbers here for January 11th.

Since Sony announced it.

http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/release/140108a_e.html

"PS4 software sales remained strong through the holiday season with more than 9.7million *2 copies sold in retail stores worldwide and through digital downloads on PlayStation®Store."

BTW it is not shipment... it is sales to consumers...

"Number of retail sales to consumers is estimated by SCEI. PS4 Software sales data in Europe and Asia collected 11/29/13 – 12/31/2013. PS4 Software sales data in North America and Latin America collected 11/15/13 – 12/28/2013(some data collected 11/15/13 – 12/31/2013)."



ethomaz said:

Nsanity said:

The best selling console this month according to NPD was the Xbox One, not your PS4.

That what I wrote... my PS4 is one unit alone... a console with supply in all US sold 40k more than a console SOLD OUT in all US.

Funny bucause it goes against what your claims

In what way does it go against his claim? Does the PS4's supply issues, or how it sold versus the Xbox One, somehow negate the cold hard fact that the Xbox One is selling? Seems like it doesn't go against his claim at all. In fact it seems like you're confirming his claim while pulling irrelevant tangents out of your behind to diminish the morale of the story. Which, again, is that the Xbox One is selling.

ethomaz said:

Nsanity said:

What's even more funnier is the console that sold less hardware has sold more software:

Some good #NPD SW facts: #XboxOne YTD 2013: 4.8M retail games vs. 4.2M for PS4. COD & BF4 both sold better on #XboxOne.

More funny yet it needed 4 or 5 retail exclusives for that because you know 3rd-party sold better on PS4

Outch!

Surprise, you're doing the same thing here. Whether more 3rd party software sold on PS4 or not is entirely irrelevant to his comment that Xbox One sold more software.

This would be like an NFL team losing 31-30 but then saying "yeah but you only scored 3 points off field goals we scored 6! you needed 4 touchdowns to beat us LOL what losers!". Except no one would actually say that because it makes no sense.

Again, look at the moral of the story. The Xbox One sold more software. Claiming it only did so because of more exclusives, is just making an excuse. It doesn't negate the fact from being reality. Hope that helped.



ethomaz said:

jlmurph2 said:

That 9.7m includes digital? Since when? We have the same numbers here for January 11th.

Since Sony announced it.

http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/release/140108a_e.html

"PS4 software sales remained strong through the holiday season with more than 9.7million *2 copies sold in retail stores worldwide and through digital downloads on PlayStation®Store."

BTW it is not shipment... it is sales to consumers...

"Number of retail sales to consumers is estimated by SCEI. PS4 Software sales data in Europe and Asia collected 11/29/13 – 12/31/2013. PS4 Software sales data in North America and Latin America collected 11/15/13 – 12/28/2013(some data collected 11/15/13 – 12/31/2013)."


Made a little adjustement to my post to explain what I meant. 



jlmurph2 said:

Made a little adjustement to my post to explain what I meant.

You can be right if PS4 is the first exception to have a attach rate better in Europe than US... US was always the King of games per console sold by a good margin.

That's why I don't believe that the WW digital was below 800k (same attach rate than US)... it is over 800k.



jlmurph2 said:
Nsanity said:
ethomaz said:

Nsanity said:

The best selling console this month according to NPD was the Xbox One, not your PS4.

That what I wrote... my PS4 is one unit alone... a console with supply in all US sold 40k more than a console SOLD OUT in all US.

Funny bucause it goes against what your claims

What's even more funnier is the console that sold less hardware has sold more software:

Some good #NPD SW facts: #XboxOne YTD 2013: 4.8M retail games vs. 4.2M for PS4. COD & BF4 both sold better on #XboxOne.


I think what's even funnier is that the Xbox One is $500 AND has a Kinect bundled. <--- isn't that what people said would doom the X1? Most people didn't even expect it to hit 1 million in US until January -__-.

I think what's even funnier is a good fart joke.  

 

Fart.



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