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the_dengle on 02 December 2013
DanneSandin said:

lol ^^

Thanks.

Granted, I was pretty hyped for Monster Hunter, and Zelda hadn't even been announced yet when that came out, but I surely hadn't anticipated that I would dump over 350 hours into the game before the end of the year. It's possible I still would have picked up Monster Hunter in such a scenario. SMT, though, that would've been right out, especially since it cost $50 instead of the regular $40.

I also forgot to consider the price of the Vita's memory card. Hmmm. No Ace Attorney 5 for me, either, I suppose.



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Rogerioandrade on 02 December 2013
DanneSandin said:
the_dengle said:
Talal said:
the_dengle said:
Well then I'd have to buy Sony consoles, which tend to cost more.

For instance, if I had instead bought a Vita when I bought my 3DS, I would have spent $80 more on hardware -- that's two full retail games. I haven't bought a Wii U yet, but of course at the moment the PS4 costs $100 more than the Wii U.

Hell, I bet I spent less than $600 on my launch Wii and all of the Wii games I own together.


But you'd be getting your money's worth with power and 3rd party support.

How much of that extra 3rd-party support could I afford after paying hundreds of dollars more for the console?

Let me tell you what 3DS retail games I own right now: Kid Icarus Uprising, Pokemon Y, Zelda Link Between Worlds, Monster Hunter 3G, and Shin Megami Tensei IV. The Vita cost $80 more than the 3DS when I bought mine, the cost of two 3DS games. Guess which two of the aforementioned games I would axe from my collection, if I had to make such a choice before even buying them?

lol ^^


Those two games are better than, at least 70 % of current japanese Vita library.



Purple on 02 December 2013
phenom08 said:
Why no mention of 3DS at all? Purple this only makes you look like a Ninty troll, you do realize this right? Whether you like it or not, there handhelds lead the market and that's without Nintys full support. Hell a smartphone is more likely than 3rd party.

I'm not here screaming at them to go third party. I'm just asking why some people are so opposed to Nintendo going third party when there would be so many benefits. Someone mentioned the controllers and I agreed.

I didn't mention the 3DS because there's no need for Nintendo to go third party in the handheld market. I think the 3DS better suits the markets needs for portable gaming than the Vita does.



curl-6 on 02 December 2013

Nintendo games also tend to be beautifully harmonized with their hardware, a kind of harmony that only really comes from exclusivity. If they had to develop cross platform this would be lost.



S.Peelman on 02 December 2013

Because their games are specifically tailored to be on their own consoles. They couldn't make the experiences they have on other company's hardware. Hardware and software are made in tandem, perfectly using each other's features to the fullest. If the software would end up on other consoles, there'd be no more innovation. Which leads to stagnation, which leads to decline and ends in irrelevance.



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the_dengle on 02 December 2013
Rogerioandrade said:


Those two games are better than, at least 70 % of current japanese Vita library.

I can't speak to the Vita's library, but Monster Hunter is outstanding. I was a little disappointed in SMT, though I'm still determined to finish it. One thing's for sure: it would have been a damn shame if I'd had to skip them, and I've already skipped 3DS games I've wanted due to a limited budget -- Luigi's Mansion probably foremost among them.



Purple on 02 December 2013
curl-6 said:
Nintendo games also tend to be beautifully harmonized with their hardware, a kind of harmony that only really comes from exclusivity. If they had to develop cross platform this would be lost.


I don't know about this as it's hard to judge one way or another.

Going third party doesn't mean you have to develop cross platform and as I menioned in my OP I've never seen any evidence that EAD has much input into the console design.



curl-6 on 02 December 2013
Purple said:
curl-6 said:
Nintendo games also tend to be beautifully harmonized with their hardware, a kind of harmony that only really comes from exclusivity. If they had to develop cross platform this would be lost.


I don't know about this as it's hard to judge one way or another.

Going third party doesn't mean you have to develop cross platform and as I menioned in my OP I've never seen any evidence that EAD has much input into the console design.

They may not have hardware input, but they still fit their games to the hardware wonderfully.



Devil_Survivor on 02 December 2013
Purple said:
phenom08 said:
Lol Purple your op is so bad lol. You mention 3D World being outsold by Knack like that wasn't only in the UK lol. Might I also add that as long as Micro and Sony fail to beat Nintys handhelds...they will never go 3rd party.


I know it was a bit of a stretch, but Mario being outsold by Knack on a platform that's been out a year longer in Europe's largest market is definitely a concern. I was using it just to show the market for that type of game is there on Sony consoles and if Knack (average at best) can sell so well, Nintendo are missing a trick limiting themselves to the Wii U.

The 3DS's relative success does make things more complicated. Especially considering Sony requires Vita remote play for all PS4 games so that would never happen.. but the 3DS at its peak hasn't been able to cover the costs of the Wii U over the last year so something will need to change.

Purple, sorry to tell you this but the U.K. is not the largest market in Europe. Germany has 20 million more people in it. Do you honestly think Knack will sell even close to this new Mario game?



 

Purple on 02 December 2013
curl-6 said:
Purple said:
curl-6 said:
Nintendo games also tend to be beautifully harmonized with their hardware, a kind of harmony that only really comes from exclusivity. If they had to develop cross platform this would be lost.


I don't know about this as it's hard to judge one way or another.

Going third party doesn't mean you have to develop cross platform and as I menioned in my OP I've never seen any evidence that EAD has much input into the console design.

They may not have hardware input, but they still fit their games to the hardware wonderfully.


Then they'd have no problem doing this on any piece of hardware. From what we've heard Sony engages third party devs extensively throughout the console's design.