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happydolphin said:

This makes perfect sense. Much like Android OS challenged the iPhone HW/OS paradigm, the steamOS can also challenge the Sony/MS HW/OS paradigm.

Also, with the ability to upgrade hardware mid-gen, it's the future of console gaming, mark my words.

The current console market is a pen of puppies. So much potential is yet untapped, and the big players (Apple and friends) will make it happen it's inevitable.

Nah this looks like the 90s again.

Valve is one upping the main console makers on their supposed "vision" for the future.

Any company thinking it'll survive off a cloud infrastructure is going to be sorely mistaken.

Cloud is like Phazon.



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Dr.EisDrachenJaeger said:

Nah this looks like the 90s again.

Valve is one upping the main console makers on their supposed "vision" for the future.

Any company thinking it'll survive off a cloud infrastructure is going to be sorely mistaken.

Cloud is like Phazon.

My post wasn't really about Valve, more than it was about the fact that current market trends set by traditional console makers are going to get run over by bigger competitors that know how to make the hundreds of millions of sales, such as Apple, Google and Samsung, much like how Apple ran over its competition in the phone market. If it's Valve then that's who it'll be, but in the end whether it's Valve or another player, that's what will happen in the near future next gen or the one after, if not during this gen.

Mostly, my post was about how consoles that evolve throughout a gen are the future of console gaming. So PC-type architecture is the natural future for console gaming. It's a no-brainer. Why have a static console when you can have an evolving console that improves over time, with a base-line if needed?

I'm not sure I see how the article relates to the cloud. But even then, Google makes the majority of its revenue off the cloud. I'm not sure it's like Phazon. But that's kind of off-topic.



Umm it's not that dropouts do better things, it's that during college they do something amazing and THEN dropout. These were people who created while they were in college. They didn't drop out and then go on to be successful.



theprof00 said:
Umm it's not that dropouts do better things, it's that during college they do something amazing and THEN dropout. These were people who created while they were in college. They didn't drop out and then go on to be successful.

Not to mention the innumerable dropouts that ended up not so successful.

Anyways, money, success, it's all vain. What counts is vision and a pure heart.



I can only imagine if they make Half life 3 exclusive to this (well, timed exclusive at least)

Very curious how this develops.



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happydolphin said:
Dr.EisDrachenJaeger said:

Nah this looks like the 90s again.

Valve is one upping the main console makers on their supposed "vision" for the future.

Any company thinking it'll survive off a cloud infrastructure is going to be sorely mistaken.

Cloud is like Phazon.

My post wasn't really about Valve, more than it was about the fact that current market trends set by traditional console makers are going to get run over by bigger competitors that know how to make the hundreds of millions of sales, such as Apple, Google and Samsung, much like how Apple ran over its competition in the phone market. If it's Valve then that's who it'll be, but in the end whether it's Valve or another player, that's what will happen in the near future next gen or the one after, if not during this gen.

Mostly, my post was about how consoles that evolve throughout a gen are the future of console gaming. So PC-type architecture is the natural future for console gaming. It's a no-brainer. Why have a static console when you can have an evolving console that improves over time, with a base-line if needed?

I'm not sure I see how the article relates to the cloud. But even then, Google makes the majority of its revenue off the cloud. I'm not sure it's like Phazon. But that's kind of off-topic.

Because when you have evolving consoles you get Sega'd.Its market fragmentation and variant other intracracies that I'll address further. I understood the pont you were making about Valve, but the market isnt exactly, stationary in that manner.

Im just saying that Cloud is a fragile infrastructure in the end that does more for the company trying to sell you a service than it does for you as a consumer.

They make more money off selling services for rent after all.



Pfew, good thing they don't plan to bring down Nintendo.



Dr.EisDrachenJaeger said:

Because when you have evolving consoles you get Sega'd.Its market fragmentation and variant other intracracies that I'll address further. I understood the pont you were making about Valve, but the market isnt exactly, stationary in that manner.

Im just saying that Cloud is a fragile infrastructure in the end that does more for the company trying to sell you a service than it does for you as a consumer.

They make more money off selling services for rent after all.

I think I see what you mean by fragmentation. I think that ultimately these machines might have important power differences that would make it difficult for games to keep up, and for gamers' wallets to keep up. But ultimately the trend of gradual power upgrades is working for smartphones, so if the systems are kept affordable, then people would buy into an upgrade system. The lines would be blurred with consoles because though a console would be more powerful at its launch (given price similarity), the buyers would know that their device would soon easily surpass them with an upgrade.

About Sega, they always had management problems. The add-ons they made were very different than PC upgrade type modules OP is prophecising for Valve. The 32x and sega cd were not easy to support as say the integration of a new GPU is in the world of PCs.

Cloud is cloud. It is a huge business for MS and other giants right now, so I wouldn't brush it off so soon. Rent makes the world go round for a lot of businesses, like renting rooms. People make fortunes off renting services.



You remember what happened when Cisco started shipping routers already configured to cloud setups?


The informed people flipped their shit.



Never heard of that honestly, but I'll look it up. One example of Cloud flopping however doesn't negate all the other cases of its frugality.