I do not really understand your political set up at all... I was going to say something about the topic, but I guess I better read a bit before I do that...
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| PDF said: This doesn't matter much. The Senate will get rid of that part of the bill and will send it back to the House. |
maybe a government shutdown?
PDF said:
Possibly. What is this, like the third showdown between Republicans and Democrats that could end in a government shut down? - i guess one of them wasn't over a shutdown but over the Sequester. |
"The government which governs best, governs least." ~ T.J.
All I know is that since obama has been in office health care has no longer been affordable...
| Talal said: I will permaban myself if the game releases in 2014. |
in reference to KH3 release date
| papamudd said: All I know is that since obama has been in office health care has no longer been affordable... |
Sorry, but get a clue. Healthcare has been a massive and rising issue in this nation for decades, specifically BECAUSE we've left it in the sole hands of the "private market", the health insurance companies and the pharmacudicals. The only reason over half the medical shit we need costs anywhere near what it does, is because they say it should. The so-called "Obamacare" act wasn't what we needed, what we NEEDED was the "Public Option" (accent on OPTION) that he originally championed, but Congress and special interests saw to that. Still, at the very least, the bill makes it so that stupid things like being denied coverage for pre-existing health problems will no longer happen. More people can GET insured. It's just going to still cost everyone money. It's not perfect, in fact it's still fucked. But it's better than it would have been under McCain/Palin, if that's where you're trying to go with that statement.
| DD_Bwest said: Our canadian system isnt that great. this pay parking at hospitals is bull crap, when I messed up my hand last year i had to pay like 8 bucks! |
I hear you, and it is even worse in Austria! i paid like 12 Euros for being rushed to the hospital and spending a night there after i had collapsed this year. And parking is paid too! just glad i didn't go there with my own car.
“It appeared that there had even been demonstrations to thank Big Brother for raising the chocolate ration to twenty grams a week. And only yesterday, he reflected, it had been announced that the ration was to be reduced to twenty grams a week. Was it possible that they could swallow that, after only twenty-four hours? Yes, they swallowed it.”
- George Orwell, ‘1984’
DevilRising said:
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I'm guessing you haven't actually done a lot of resarch on the topic.
Non-profit health insurance costs the same and often times more as for profit health insurance which DEFINITLY shows that it isn't artificially inflated costs due to insurance.
Insurance has really low profit margins in general. Which is why the affordable healthcare act was just a bad idea in the first place if cutting costs was your goal, because it was targeting one of the few healthcare areas that wasn't a problem.
"Obamacare" will raise healthcare rates... nobody denies that anymore. It was done for "fairness reasons".
DevilRising said:
The millions and millions of uninsured Americans would rather have SOME kind of health coverage, than the nothing they have right now. Trust me on that. |
Indeed. I'm tired of this "Boo hoo hoo" shit. People want to have insurance, many of them blocked due to pre-existing conditions.
So many people in this country are good at telling you something in your best intrest is bad for you. This is going to happen. Either get used to it, or move.
Ask stefl1504 for a sig, even if you don't need one.
Moonhero said:
Indeed. I'm tired of this "Boo hoo hoo" shit. People want to have insurance, many of them blocked due to pre-existing conditions. So many people in this country are good at telling you something in your best intrest is bad for you. This is going to happen. Either get used to it, or move. |
Also... it's not really true. Outside of Prexisting conditions, everyone too poor to buy health insurance already qualifies for government funded health insurance.
If the uninsured people wanted insurance you wouldn't have to threaten them with a fine if they didn't get it.
The vast majority of people without health insurance don't have it by choice.
Forcing these healthy people to get it, is what's supposed to offset the huge rise in costs due to forcing people with presxisting conditions on everyone elses plans.
That said, no point in really defunding obamacare, the most damaging parts when it comes to costs are the parts that don't cost any money.
Kasz216 said:
I'm guessing you haven't actually done a lot of resarch on the topic. that's a condescending way to begin a discussion. He knows he was lied to on the campaign trail, and both parties would have screwed up the system. He's also correct that the system is dictated by the cost of insuring people and not buy the cost of providing care.Non-profit health insurance costs the same and often times more as for profit health insurance which DEFINITLY shows that it isn't artificially inflated costs. Why then, In the past decade, nonprofit Blue Cross and Blue Shield health insurers set aside billions of dollars in surplus – essentially retained profits – even as they raised premiums for consumers by as high as 20 percent annually? Insurance premiums shouldn’t keep going up year after year when insurers are hoarding such huge surpluses. http://consumersunion.org/news/nonprofit-health-insurers-hoard-billions-in-surpluses/
That and people with insurance will get everything treated. If they don't get sick they're losing money! Are you making a case for insurance rate increases being due to ppl using the insurance they went broke for? Can't you see how ridiculous health insuance is? You're forced to buy a product you are not supposed to use,and you don't always know when you should use it. Cause it'll get more expensive. That's a scam.
In Europe, they'll only upgrade things like MRI scanners every so often rather then every new model. The US is so expensive because it's a driver of new medical technology... and because people with insurance will do EVEYRTHING to save their own lives, well after europeon medicine decides it's enough. That's not trailblazing, that's just wasteful. Throwing out good equipment for the sake of innovation just because you can pay for it by ripping people off. No just no. I'm not aware of any statistics of numerous american lives being saved by miraculous new technology unavailable in European hospitals.It's also worth noting, rising healthcare costs are generally a problem everywhere. no where is more expensive than the U.S.A. http://www.sustainer.org/dhm_archive/index.php?display_article=vn574healthcareed |
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