U.S. House Passes Bill To Defund Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

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Kasz216 said:

DevilRising said:

papamudd said:
All I know is that since obama has been in office health care has no longer been affordable...

Sorry, but get a clue. Healthcare has been a massive and rising issue in this nation for decades, specifically BECAUSE we've left it in the sole hands of the "private market", the health insurance companies and the pharmacudicals. The only reason over half the medical shit we need costs anywhere near what it does, is because they say it should. The so-called "Obamacare" act wasn't what we needed, what we NEEDED was the "Public Option" (accent on OPTION) that he originally championed, but Congress and special interests saw to that. Still, at the very least, the bill makes it so that stupid things like being denied coverage for pre-existing health problems will no longer happen. More people can GET insured. It's just going to still cost everyone money. It's not perfect, in fact it's still fucked. But it's better than it would have been under McCain/Palin, if that's where you're trying to go with that statement.

I'm guessing you haven't actually done a lot of resarch on the topic.

that's a condescending way to begin a discussion. He knows he was lied to on the campaign trail, and both parties would have screwed up the system. He's also correct that the system is dictated by the cost of insuring people and not buy the cost of providing care.

Non-profit health insurance costs the same and often times more as for profit health insurance which DEFINITLY shows that it isn't artificially inflated costs.

Why then, In the past decade, nonprofit Blue Cross and Blue Shield health insurers set aside billions of dollars in surplus – essentially retained profits – even as they raised premiums for consumers by as high as 20 percent annually? Insurance premiums shouldn’t keep going up year after year when insurers are hoarding such huge surpluses. http://consumersunion.org/news/nonprofit-health-insurers-hoard-billions-in-surpluses/

Healthcare costs so much in the US because US Hospitals and Doctors are always upgrading their machines to the newest best product, it costs so much to get through medical school and because our patent laws are somewhat fucked up.

You don't have an opinion of this? When you or I go in for a sprain or break. We want to pay for the doctors schooling, his new machine that goes 'BING', and somebodies patent? No. I want to pay for my cast and x-ray. Which, by the way, cost nothing. I also wanna pay the doctor for his time. Which is 5 minutes (waiting doesn't count) i guess $20 a minute is good. That equals $100 for 5 minutes.

That and people with insurance will get everything treated.

If they don't get sick they're losing money! Are you making a case for insurance rate increases being due to ppl using the insurance they went broke for? Can't you see how ridiculous health insuance is? You're forced to buy a product you are not supposed to use,and you don't always know when you should use it. Cause it'll get more expensive. That's a scam.

 

In Europe, they'll only upgrade things like MRI scanners every so often rather then every new model.  The US is so expensive because it's a driver of new medical technology... and because people with insurance will do EVEYRTHING to save their own lives, well after europeon medicine decides it's enough.

That's not trailblazing, that's just wasteful. Throwing out good equipment for the sake of innovation just because you can pay for it by ripping people off. No just no. I'm not aware of any statistics of numerous american lives being saved by miraculous new technology unavailable in European hospitals.

It's also worth noting, rising healthcare costs are generally a problem everywhere.

no where is more expensive than the U.S.A. http://www.sustainer.org/dhm_archive/index.php?display_article=vn574healthcareed