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How do you feel about Capcom?

I hate you, Capcom. 29 43.28%
 
I hate you, Capcom! 38 56.72%
 
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chidori-chan2 on 22 September 2013
badgenome said:


 

Honestly never cared for this game anyways..




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richardhutnik on 22 September 2013
badgenome said:
Frequency said:

Really, theyve shown and explained in detail what it is you can buy, what you cant do without buying, and every other "pay" area of the title? last i checked everyone was making a snap judgement off of finding out the game is "free to play".

You can make a judgement on how it looks, or to some extent "plays" (watching someone play isnt the same as playing yourself), but to make uninformed assumptions about the fate of the game for an element that has not been covered, at all, is just silly.

So tell me again how these extensive demos of graphics and gameplay has given you a credible amount of information to toss opinions on an area of the game they hasnt said a word about, because apparently youre from the future.

Well, let's see... beautiful graphics but samey environments, repetitive looking combat with a few cool tricks, bad enemy AI, randomly generated maps, online only, free to play, and Capcom. That's quite enough to have some opinions about how the game is shaping up.

Free to play has a bad rap with a lot of people for good reason, and incidentally, so does Capcom. They are the kings of ripping content out of $60 games to sell it to you separately, so suspicion about the business model infecting their game design in a f2p title is warranted. It's possible that it won't, but for them to deliver a genuinely compelling free game that isn't a nickel and dime fest would be going against type at this point. You don't have to be from the future to see that, only aware of their trajectory as a company these past few years.

I think what is infamous about Capcom isn't the ripping out of content.  It is the fact they have the content on the disk they ship, and they just have people pay to unlock it.  Unlike ripping content off, it is there, just put behind a tollgate.



badgenome on 22 September 2013
richardhutnik said:

I think what is infamous about Capcom isn't the ripping out of content.  It is the fact they have the content on the disk they ship, and they just have people pay to unlock it.  Unlike ripping content off, it is there, just put behind a tollgate.

Yeah, that definitely got the most buzz because the fact that it was on the disc was an additional slap in the face. But they already had a reputation at that point for selling things separately that used to just be included as a matter of course, like palette swaps and cheat codes.



A203D on 22 September 2013
Lafiel said:
A203D said:
Errrm... I've seen some of these free to play games before. They charge extortionate amounts for you to go deeper into the game.

I'm not sure about this. I'm not sure this business model works. Its a shame because I did really like the look of Deep Down.

We'll see, it could still be good, we don't know.

Atleast we have the opportunity to try it out once it releases. Personally I'm still hopeful - many of the posters here probably don't want to be hyped for this because there is a chance to end up with disappointment, but I'll give it a fair chance :).

True, we should give the game a chance.

It might end up being a great game; the problem is Capcom and their buisness model for this game which will be built around microtransactions.

I honestly believe that game developers and publishers need to adapt their tactics in line with digital distribution channels. Its not like the SNES era of gaming where you buy the game and thats it.

I understand the need for DLC and what not. If Capcom thinks they can make this work then I think its worth giving them a chance. The game does genuinely look very good in my view.



richardhutnik on 22 September 2013
badgenome said:
richardhutnik said:

I think what is infamous about Capcom isn't the ripping out of content.  It is the fact they have the content on the disk they ship, and they just have people pay to unlock it.  Unlike ripping content off, it is there, just put behind a tollgate.

Yeah, that definitely got the most buzz because the fact that it was on the disc was an additional slap in the face. But they already had a reputation at that point for selling things separately that used to just be included as a matter of course, like palette swaps and cheat codes.

Other companies do this.  I thought the big deal was that they had the content on the disk.  Having content on the disk is an entirely new level of horse armor.



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badgenome on 22 September 2013
richardhutnik said:

Other companies do this.  I thought the big deal was that they had the content on the disk.  Having content on the disk is an entirely new level of horse armor.

That was the big deal. I think they were already widely perceived as some of the worst ripoff artists before that, though. That just cemented their reputation as scumbags par excellence.

On the flip side it seems like Bethesda took all that horse armor criticism to heart. They are far and away one of the best when it comes to making meaningful DLC, IMO.



richardhutnik on 22 September 2013
badgenome said:
richardhutnik said:

Other companies do this.  I thought the big deal was that they had the content on the disk.  Having content on the disk is an entirely new level of horse armor.

That was the big deal. I think they were already widely perceived as some of the worst ripoff artists before that, though. That just cemented their reputation as scumbags par excellence.

On the flip side it seems like Bethesda took all that horse armor criticism to heart. They are far and away one of the best when it comes to making meaningful DLC, IMO.

Well, if we hold all this thinking is valid, looks like Capcom will seek to raise it to even HIGHER levels and be doomed in the process (and I see why reviewtechusa is saying they are doomed:

http://gamerant.com/capcom-more-dlc-future/

While the images above are filled with business projects and comparisons, the strategy contained therein is pretty clear: “improve profit by promoting the digital strategy (DLC) in the Consumer business.”

Now, a focus on DLC would be all well and good if the publisher was not Capcom. Over the past year or so, Capcom has been found guilty of locking on-disc content out of the game in order to charge for it later as DLC.



cmeese47 on 22 September 2013

WTF is this facebook no then give me a real game