No it was, you're too generous Anfebious

Oh trust me, yes it was. 

A smart business decision doesn't make them greedy /end of discussion

The only thing keeping the thread going besides JL's and Mummelmann's debates are you and fusioncode negative spin. How come i never read anything positive from you two? Does it give you joy to see Nintendo stumble?

Cynics are insiginificant to the discussion here.

In 3 and a half weeks (just before the finacials) I'm expecting Nintendo to do a Nintendo Direct not sell 300k per region. I see you are capable of humor after all.

So you can pretty much say no company is greedy, because when they are it's usually a good business decision. Lawl.

'negative' spin. We disagree with you and JL's ridiculous predictions and OP, so obviously we're naysayers, and again, it's not our fault the numbers are not in your favour, thus you perceiving them as negative.

Do you or do you not expect 3m in Q1? Don't make prediction if you're gonna back out of them ...

The ND will do nothing ... they appeal to Nintendo fans and nobody else.

I guess Apple paying their workers in China less than $17 a day is just a smart business decision. And it doesn't give us joy to watch Nintendo fall, it gives us joy to watch massive egos come crashing down with their insane predictions. 

Please explain to me what u think this Nintendo Direct is going to show that instantly causes Wii U sales to explode. And when have announcements of games likely coming 6-12 months away ever caused massive spikes in sales?

John, what do you make of Malstrom´s latest post?..he talks about what he think is wrong with Nintendo.Let me put it here.

One of the big things that helped people get behind Nintendo with the DS and Wii was that people believed in the company. They believed Nintendo cared about putting out quality game experiences. People were even defending the Virtual Boy. “At least it was DIFFERENT and INNOVATIVE.” Nintendo’s interests coincided with the customers’ interests. No longer is this the case.

There are too many examples of Nintendo not caring about putting out quality game experiences. If it were due to business concerns, this might be excusable. However, it isn’t. It is over ideological concerns among the developers at Nintendo. Here are a taste of few of them:

-2d Mario gets a C string team and a low budget. 3d Mario gets the A team and a massive budget.

-The most hated Zelda game, Wind Waker, gets to be the first ‘HD Zelda’. Iwata’s announcement said, “We want Wind Waker to be seen by more people than it had on the Gamecube install base.” Translated, that means Nintendo likes Wind Waker and wants more people to play it. They assumed Wii U console would be far more popular than the Gamecube console.

-3DS is designed around ’3d’ because old fart Nintendo developers have invested their lives in 3d gaming technology and still refuse to admit the Virtual Boy was a failure. (This is not hyperbole.)

-Sakamoto destroys the Metroid franchise with Metroid Other M. Instead of giving people a game they want to play, Sakamoto puts forth a game where he gets to be ‘narrative director’ and ‘creative god’.

-Pikmin 3 is a sequel to the failed Pikmin series of games on the Gamecube. Pikmin 3 wasn’t made because people wanted it. It was made because Nintendo developers wanted to make it. In 2008, Miyamoto said that Pikmin 3 would be a good fit for Wii because of the pointer. That was horseshit as Pikmin 3 was delayed so it could be made ‘right’. Meanwhile, the 2d Mario of NSMB U doesn’t get delayed but thrown out there at launch because Nintendo developers don’t give a shit about 2d Mario.

-No account system.

-Internet gaming sucks on the Nintendo consoles. No one asked for this Miiverse crap. Nintendo thinks it is ‘special’ because it is ‘different’. But it doesn’t do the job we want it to do.

-Wii U is a Gamecube HD with Wii branding. This was intentional. Nintendo is trying to direct the market to want games their developers wish to make. It is the market that tells you what games to make. The developers don’t get to tell the market what games it will have. It seems like Nintendo developers have been too distant from the Real World. Can you imagine a normal person with the gall of telling the labor market of what job it will be in demand? Of course not. The labor market tells you what jobs are in demand, not the other way around. And if people could tell the labor market what jobs would be in demand, it would all be the same type of job: a job that is a leisurely office job where they get to be ‘creative’. Nintendo developers being leisurely (recycling Gamecube games) and being ‘creative’ is a function of the workers trying to tell the market what job skills it demands. They are entirely upside down.

I can go on and on with the litany of complaints, but it boils down to Nintendo losing its company reputation with the crap it has been putting out (and it has been putting out crap). When people say, “No account system!”, they aren’t just talking about the account system. They’re saying they don’t trust the company itself.

The issue isn’t about ‘finding the right game’, the issue is a reputation problem.

I hear that the Wii U might get a version of Minecraft. This is laughable. Who is running this company? Minecraft is the most influential video game since Tetris. And yet, Nintendo ignored Minecraft forever. Why? I know exactly why. It is because Nintendo developers, such as Miyamoto, thumb their nose at PC games especially indie games that are made by one person. These stupid, childish developer ideologies are hurting everything. Nintendo should be reminded that GTA 1 and 2 were PC games before the franchise exploded. Call of Duty was a PC game too before the franchise exploded. Nintendo may not be able to get big industry third party games with their bizarro Japanese hardware mentality, but they can still get third party indie games where the system requirements are much, much less. Unfortunately for Nintendo gamers, Nintendo assumes they are trash and don’t even bother trying to get them onboard. Sony, however, is.

I am not a mind reader. I do not know what goes on in Iwata or Miyamoto or anyone else at Nintendo’s minds. All I can see are actions. The thoughts going on that made Nintendo think that the 3DS and Wii U would be ‘break out hits’ are some of the craziest science fiction and fantasy I can ever imagine. All I am doing is wondering, “How did they think this was a good idea???”

Nintendo developers and certain hardcore gamers might be on the same page. However, the mass market and Nintendo developers are not on the same page. There is a gulf between them. And it is not the mass market’s job to do what the Nintendo developers wish to do. It is the other way around. This is the issue I see that is wreaking havoc throughout Nintendo output for the latter part of Generation 7 and, so far, all of Generation 8. I know I sound like a grouch for articulating it, but look at the sales. Something is very, very wrong. Maybe everything said here is completely wrong. Maybe the issue is something else. But one this is for sure, Nintendo needs to stop doing what it has been doing for 3DS and Wii U and needs to change its thinking, whatever thinking that may be.

You seem to read Malstrom too JGarret! I read it too!

I don't agree with his views every time though. He seems to have some weird kind of aversion to 3D Mario and I love 3D Mario! He does make a lot of sense when talking about what is wrong with Nintendo.

I don't think that Nintendo is putting low quality games these days but they are certainly of less quality than the older games and that is what Maelstrom seems to point out.

I agree with his Metroid Other M hate though. That game looks so bad, I fear to try it out. And the worst thing is that Metroid on the Wii could have been so much better... At least we got the Metroid Prime Trilogy.

Using the UK as a hallmark is just a way to highlight the wii u's performance at it's lowest.

Even if the wii u is losing in the UK to the xbone and PS4, in the far larger and more important European market it is holding it's own against a brand new xbox one which is easily available in that region. Based on vgcharts last sales chart the xbone is was only just ahead in Europe, regardless of the UK sales.

If this pattern continues wii u won't need the UK, but need to apeal more to the percentage of the other 440 million people in the EU that buy consoles.

I'd would rather push for good sales in Europe and poor sales in the UK as oppose to good sales in the UK and poor sales in Europe as is the case with XBone.

If Nintendo can achieve this they will at least be in a better place.

It's not like ignoring the UK will somehow be advantageous for the Wii U in mainland Europe.  Tastes in games are relatively similar across the continent.  Improving sales in the UK won't magically give it poor sales in Europe.

Also, the UK isn't really the Wii U at its lowest.  In 2012 the Wii U's market share in the UK was equal to that in Germany, and only behind France among the countries Nintendo gave data on.  Spain, Italy, The Netherlands, and Belgium all saw the Wii U with lower market shares.  For the first quarter of calendar 2013 Germany pulled slightly ahead while France fell back closer to the UK.  The other 4 countries were still behind the UK.  In the two quarters covering April-September the Wii U's market share in the UK was actually ahead of its market share in France.  Germany pulled further ahead, Spain and Italy were still behind, Belgium was about equal to the UK, and The Netherlands actually pulled slightly ahead.

We'll have to see what the breakdown is for the Oct-Dec quarter, but this idea that the performance of the Wii U in the UK is uniquely poor just isn't true from the data we have.  There is no logical reason for Nintendo to abandon the UK.