the2real4mafol said:
Screamapillar said:
Mr Khan said: The 20 weeks thing is neither here nor there. What it affects is in these onerous requirements shutting down clinics that a lot of women use for a broad array of health services. It so often seems like prenatal life is the only life the pro-lifers give a damn about, given their opposition to funding for any health services for the living. |
Is it right for us to be taxed to pay for others' health services? I would say it is not.
I wouldn't even be opposed to states running these so-called health clinics. Although we know that they are by and large abortion clinics. I just don't think the federal government has any business getting involved and taking care of people in this way.
If we as a society decide that we want state-run health clinics, then so be it (even though I personally don't see why I should be taxed to pay for it if I or my family doesn't use it), but it should be done on a state level, not on a federal level. Let the states deal with their health services as they choose, and let the pro-life states limit abortion services, and the free-wheeling liberal states have as many abortions as they want.
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What's wrong with us all chipping in some money/ taxes to have socialised healthcare? Because of the inequality caused by capitalism, we NEED socialised healthcare. It is actually better as the health of the poor is much improved and surely if we are all healthier, the economy will benefit from fewer sick days.
I think your opinion is very backward and actually quite selfish, for just one major reason. Just look at the current American healthcare system, 35 million people have no health insurance and therefore "can't afford to get ill" because it is dominated by private companies who only care about profit rather than people's health. The profit motive has no place in healthcare. Fortunately, a disease can't tell the difference between a rich and a poor person and so infects anyone. Are you telling you would yet someone who can't afford to pay potentially die unneccesarilly despite all the medicine that exists? That's just wrong. And to prove further that private healthcare isn't efficient, 18% of US GDP is spent on healthcare. Come to the UK, where we have the NHS and we only spend 9% of GDP on healthcare according to World Bank (that % is similar across other countries with socialised healthcare). It's cheaper to have socialised healthcare and it is also moral, everyone just needs to dip into too their pocket for the greater good. And to think you get a free and decent service in return for slightly higher taxes. I don't see the problem here.
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Yeah but in the UK, you guys have notoriously horrible healthcare, same with all socialized health systems. Longer times to see an actual doctor, meaning when you do actually get to see one, it might be too late to do anything about it. Doctors get paid less, therefore there are fewer people who want to become doctors, and thus fewer specialists, hence why so many people fly to the United States and a select few other countries to see specialists, i.e. the best in the world.
The problem is that we already all "chip in some money", it's called Medicare and Medicaid. Both of which are terrible systems. Doctors hate them, there's too much backlog, bureaucracy, and it's so wasteful that many Doctors either don't accept them or they retire early just so that they don't have to deal with them. To the detriment of the people you claim should be helped.
So your forceful way of dealing with all of this is never going to work. Europe is bankrupt, they have nothing but pyramided debt. They have low birth rates among middle and high income people, many of which are even below the replacement rate. Your continent is literally dying, and as we're already seeing in France and elsewhere, eventually your entire society is going to be overrun with Muslims. Muslims, once there are enough of them to be in power in Europe, are not going to support your socialized systems, and they're not going to support women's rights or a welfare state. So, you talk about me "being backward", well, look in the mirror. Also, look at the demographics in France. I would prefer that that not happen here in the US.
Not to mention that you cannot force someone to be charitable. If we had a healthy economy, and there were actual jobs in the US, we wouldn't even be having this conversation, because there wouldn't be so many people who can't afford health insurance. So no matter how hard you try, or how much you want it, you cannot legislate poor people into prosperity. It doesn't work. It has never worked, ever. All of these socialized programs that progressives and conservaties love to throw around "energy independence", "education", "food stamps", the common theme you hear is that "Well, if we just increased funding, this would all be solved." The problem is, every time funding is increased, it makes the problem even worse than it was before.
The best way to handle these types of problems, and it's in line with the original intent of the United States, is to give people as much freedom as possible. I don't think the tyranny of the government being the central provider of services is going to turn out well. Quite the opposite, in fact.