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mibuokami said:
Michael-5 said:

Maybe. Personally I am in agreeance, but most console owners aren't well educated about games. Plus MS has the power of advertizing, and appealing to Americans who only buy domestic products since it's "good for the economy."

One will do well, but we all hope PS4 and Wii U will do a lot better. I don't trust MS, but I trust Sony and Nintendo.

Actually I don't trust Sony 100% either, they're doing the right thing now but they are a corporation just like MS and they've proven in the past that they can pull off just as much bullshit as MS. However, their current policy with the PS3 and PS4 is consumer friendly and for that they've earned by dollars. If they continue the status quo and make game that I enjoy playing I'll continue to throw money at them.

And I am fairly certain I'm the type of customer they love. The type that buys every game possible brand new - day one, never trade-in and have a collection of over 100 games on the PS3 and maybe finished around 30 of them because I'm so time starved :P.

What did Sony do in the past that was so bad? I remember they did something bad with Sony Computers, but not video games in particular.

Sony burnt me in the past a bit by making 1st gen PS1, PS2, and PS3's that broke on my prematurely, that's why I switched to MS with the 360. However Sony only mildly burnt me, MS gave me 3rd degree with the 360 and now the One, so I'm switching back to Sony, and just waiting on a second gen console for reliability concerns.

Also used game buyers aren't bad for the industry. I usually buy most of my games for $20 because I'm rarely excited enough to buy a game day 1, why not wait and save money? However I do a lot of research into what games I buy, and I rarely re-sell them. So I still buy interesting games new, and even day 1, which is great for the industry. However at the same time, by buying used games and keeping them, I cut the supply of used games, which will force one other gamer to buy the game new if a used copy isn't available.



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zorg1000 said:
So far this gen is a polar opposite of last.

Wii was flying off store shelves, Wii U is barely selling 30,000 per week.

PS3 was critisized for being to expensive, One has that problem now

360 was seen as the console for gamers, now its PS4

LOL, but the question is, will WiiU/PS4/One sell as well as Wii/PS3/360? Just because One has the same problem as the PS3 at the start doesn't mean it will experience the same late life success. PS3 surpass 360 in sales because they were agressive on price, and kept on producing a lot of first party exclusives, to the point where profits were seriously hurt. I don't know is MS will do the same.

As for WiiU, I know it's starting slow, but it released early for the gen (where Wii was the last one to release last gen), and it doesn't have that "killer game" (Wii had two, Zelda and Wii Sports). I'm confident WiiU sales will grow substantially with the release of Super Mario, Mario Kart, Wii Fit, and to an extent Pikmin 3.



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Michael-5 said:
mibuokami said:
Michael-5 said:

Maybe. Personally I am in agreeance, but most console owners aren't well educated about games. Plus MS has the power of advertizing, and appealing to Americans who only buy domestic products since it's "good for the economy."

One will do well, but we all hope PS4 and Wii U will do a lot better. I don't trust MS, but I trust Sony and Nintendo.

Actually I don't trust Sony 100% either, they're doing the right thing now but they are a corporation just like MS and they've proven in the past that they can pull off just as much bullshit as MS. However, their current policy with the PS3 and PS4 is consumer friendly and for that they've earned by dollars. If they continue the status quo and make game that I enjoy playing I'll continue to throw money at them.

And I am fairly certain I'm the type of customer they love. The type that buys every game possible brand new - day one, never trade-in and have a collection of over 100 games on the PS3 and maybe finished around 30 of them because I'm so time starved :P.

What did Sony do in the past that was so bad? I remember they did something bad with Sony Computers, but not video games in particular.

Sony burnt me in the past a bit by making 1st gen PS1, PS2, and PS3's that broke on my prematurely, that's why I switched to MS with the 360. However Sony only mildly burnt me, MS gave me 3rd degree with the 360 and now the One, so I'm switching back to Sony, and just waiting on a second gen console for reliability concerns.

Also used game buyers aren't bad for the industry. I usually buy most of my games for $20 because I'm rarely excited enough to buy a game day 1, why not wait and save money? However I do a lot of research into what games I buy, and I rarely re-sell them. So I still buy interesting games new, and even day 1, which is great for the industry. However at the same time, by buying used games and keeping them, I cut the supply of used games, which will force one other gamer to buy the game new if a used copy isn't available.

I don't mean that they've burnted me badly specifically, just I am not attached to them or 'love' them. My money as a consumer should be enough of a stamp of approval of their corporate policy; as an example, while it is not neccessarily the gaming division, look up rootkit lawsuit; they were in the forefront in the push for shitty DRM.

I realize that management is actually seperate and this scandal involve only Sony BMG but the point stands, they as a corporation is fully capable of being anti-consumer, so as long as the continue to be consumer friendly, their reward is my money and that should be more than enough. Never get attached to them and think that they are the 'good guy', that way lies the road to hell. :)

And I highlight this because you can be sure that current policy of the Xbox is a corporate one, gaming division didn't come up with this shit by themselves.




mibuokami said:
Michael-5 said:

What did Sony do in the past that was so bad? I remember they did something bad with Sony Computers, but not video games in particular.

Sony burnt me in the past a bit by making 1st gen PS1, PS2, and PS3's that broke on my prematurely, that's why I switched to MS with the 360. However Sony only mildly burnt me, MS gave me 3rd degree with the 360 and now the One, so I'm switching back to Sony, and just waiting on a second gen console for reliability concerns.

Also used game buyers aren't bad for the industry. I usually buy most of my games for $20 because I'm rarely excited enough to buy a game day 1, why not wait and save money? However I do a lot of research into what games I buy, and I rarely re-sell them. So I still buy interesting games new, and even day 1, which is great for the industry. However at the same time, by buying used games and keeping them, I cut the supply of used games, which will force one other gamer to buy the game new if a used copy isn't available.

I don't mean that they've burnted me badly specifically, just I am not attached to them or 'love' them. My money as a consumer should be enough of a stamp of approval of their corporate policy; as an example, while it is not neccessarily the gaming division, look up rootkit lawsuit; they were in the forefront in the push for shitty DRM.

I realize that management is actually seperate and this scandal involve only Sony BMG but the point stands, they as a corporation is fully capable of being anti-consumer, so as long as the continue to be consumer friendly, their reward is my money and that should be more than enough. Never get attached to them and think that they are the 'good guy', that way lies the road to hell. :)

And I highlight this because you can be sure that current policy of the Xbox is a corporate one, gaming division didn't come up with this shit by themselves.

That's right! Rootkits on laptops that couldn't be removed, now I remember. However aren't Sony's studios separate? Sony Pictures for example has nothing to do with Sony Computer Entertainment. So the people behind the Playstation haven't done anything bad....yet.

I get what you mean about Sony, but aren't innocent, but atm they are the lesser of evils. My PS1-3 broke within the consoles lifetime, and in the case of PS1/PS2, right at the end (forcing me to replace, or go next gen). I don't think that's a coincidence, I think at some point Sony decides "ah, reliable enough" and moves on.

Still, ATM Nintendo/Sony have much better corporate policies then Microsoft. Not even just with the One, I've had a bad time with the 360 too (can't order replacement parts for discontinued products, forcing me to use MS to fix RRoD issues, even if I had an extended warrenty, replacing my console with a broken 1st gen console, etc.)



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Michael-5 said:
zorg1000 said:
So far this gen is a polar opposite of last.

Wii was flying off store shelves, Wii U is barely selling 30,000 per week.

PS3 was critisized for being to expensive, One has that problem now

360 was seen as the console for gamers, now its PS4

LOL, but the question is, will WiiU/PS4/One sell as well as Wii/PS3/360? Just because One has the same problem as the PS3 at the start doesn't mean it will experience the same late life success. PS3 surpass 360 in sales because they were agressive on price, and kept on producing a lot of first party exclusives, to the point where profits were seriously hurt. I don't know is MS will do the same.

As for WiiU, I know it's starting slow, but it released early for the gen (where Wii was the last one to release last gen), and it doesn't have that "killer game" (Wii had two, Zelda and Wii Sports). I'm confident WiiU sales will grow substantially with the release of Super Mario, Mario Kart, Wii Fit, and to an extent Pikmin 3.

I agree, PS3 was able to weather the storm and stay relevent, we will see if One does the same or MS remains stubborn.

And im 100% Wii U will turn things around, not Wii level but still successful



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