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WrathofTank on 11 June 2013

 

Are you serious?

Sonys lineup of games is pretty poor. As is the visuals. For a console supposedly the most powerful The One killed it. 

Panic is now, but it seems after a lacklustre showing by PS4, the panic is on the internet by many Sony fans. Not actual preorder sales in the realworld. 

I expect on Launch The One to seriously outsell PS4 with the respective launch lineups they have.

 

Hell Ryse, Forza 5, Killer Instinct are all confirmed day one. As is Sunset Overdrive. Nothing Sony showed looks that promising exclusive wise. FF15 and KH3 are already fully expected to be announced for The One very shortly. 

Also games like Killzone Shadowfall visually were destroyed y games like Ryse, Forza 5 and Battlefield 4. Quantum Break looked amazing visually. Inengine those faces were astonishing. 

Its like Sony and Mcrosoft have traded places for non shooter games. Although Microsoft seems to have kept the shooter title also. Titanfall looked amazing.

 

I feel 2 things from Sony conference. 

1. PS4 sold at a loss. Screams desperate. Screams financial end for Sony if it fails to sell much. Noone will wait till 2035 for GT7.

2. No cloud processing talked about for any games. Why would I play a game with fixed AI, when I can play a truly next gen title with real AI? Seriously. If having an internet connection improves the gameplay and is truly next gen why would I buy a PS4 which is essentially a PS3 with far less exclusives and better graphics?

Microsoft are bringing more newer experiences to the table. Cloud computing is a LARGE part of this

I felt like creating an account just to respond to some of this nonsense...

First off on of principal alone people shouldn't buy the Xbox One.  The more we give up our rights as with anything in life the more rights are taken away.  If we willingly let them push DRM on us and all of this other nonsense it will only get worse.

The Xbox One showed some great games, and I'm sure that it has a lot to offer, but we shouldn't purchase it.  I know that you and many other are very intrigued by the product and want to buy it, as do I, but we shouldn't until their policy changes.

And in response to some of your other statements...

  • I don't understand everyones interest in Ryse, it looked great visually, but gameplay wise all it uses is quicktime events, it's mostly on rails too.  It doesn't seem like it would be fun to me, and that is what I've heard from people that have played the demo as well.
  • Also you are kidding yourself if you think the PS4 lineup of games is poor, most games are multiplat, and also Playstation has more first party studios, all of them are working on games for PS4.
  • Also, your statment that Killzone Shadow was destroyed visually is based on nothing, I would venture to say that Digital Foundry and the experts who analyze graphics would strongly disagree.

In conclusion, if you look at the Xbox One and the PS4 with no bias at all, the answer is clear which console is the better choice for consumers.  The PS4 is cheaper, more powerful, and has better gaming policies, the last of which is most important to me.



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Multimedialover on 11 June 2013
NYCrysis said:
Multimedialover said:
NYCrysis said:
sales2099 said:
NYCrysis said:
Project Spark is on the pc as is titanfall cut that exclusive nonsense

Wheres the PS4 version?


Do you know what the word exclusive means? lol It's time to PANiC now.


Are you serious?

Sonys lineup of games is pretty poor. As is the visuals. For a console supposedly the most powerful The One killed it. 

Panic is now, but it seems after a lacklustre showing by PS4, the panic is on the internet by many Sony fans. Not actual preorder sales in the realworld. 

I expect on Launch The One to seriously outsell PS4 with the respective launch lineups they have.

 

Hell Ryse, Forza 5, Killer Instinct are all confirmed day one. As is Sunset Overdrive. Nothing Sony showed looks that promising exclusive wise. FF15 and KH3 are already fully expected to be announced for The One very shortly. 

Also games like Killzone Shadowfall visually were destroyed y games like Ryse, Forza 5 and Battlefield 4. Quantum Break looked amazing visually. Inengine those faces were astonishing. 

Its like Sony and Mcrosoft have traded places for non shooter games. Although Microsoft seems to have kept the shooter title also. Titanfall looked amazing.

 

I feel 2 things from Sony conference. 

1. PS4 sold at a loss. Screams desperate. Screams financial end for Sony if it fails to sell much. Noone will wait till 2035 for GT7.

2. No cloud processing talked about for any games. Why would I play a game with fixed AI, when I can play a truly next gen title with real AI? Seriously. If having an internet connection improves the gameplay and is truly next gen why would I buy a PS4 which is essentially a PS3 with far less exclusives and better graphics?

Microsoft are bringing more newer experiences to the table. Cloud computing is a LARGE part of this


Tom Clancy's The Division PLAYED on the PS4 DESTROYED ANY XbOne game Visually. Infamous 2nd Son, also looked better than anything on xbox. How you think those 3 games looked better than killzone is beyond me :S

Sony Has 20 first party ip's in creation for the 1st year with 12 new ip's.

So far all they showed was Killzone, Knack, DriveClub, The Order, and The Dark Sorcerer. M$ played all their big cards in e3 it seems to me. From Sony I still have announcements upcoming from Media Molecule, Naughty Dog, GG's new ip, and 10+ more exclusives. 

Completely disagree with the visuals. Killzone looked ordinary when it was shown the first time. Battlefield 4 is all over that game. Forza 5 looked like real life in almost all of the gameplay and Ryse was absolutely phenominal. That cloth and rope movement as the boat was destroyed was unbelieveable. And it was during gameplay. 

Quantum Break had by far the best ingame character models Ive ever seen.

What Sony claim and what they have shown are 2 different things. 

Using your arguement that Microsoft played all their cards isnt true. 

I could equally say that there are 5 other First Party studios Microsoft didnt show anything from at E3. Including Lionhead Studios and Rare ( rumoured to have 2 more titles in the works ). 

Also Microsoft only showed 13 of the 15 exclusives they say are coming in the first year. 

Even better for Microsoft fans is, after the release day titles these devs will move onto the next game if they havent started in some way already. Meaning the 2nd wave of First Party Exclusives will come quicker than Sony's. Microsoft seem to have been much better prepared than Sony, and Microsoft now have more high budget First Party Studios than Sony. After all they invested in these studios 2 years ago and are now seeing the benefits. 

Xbox One will have more Exclusives than PS4 through its lifecycle because they spent more money and now have more top class studios.



Multimedialover on 11 June 2013
WrathofTank said:

 

Are you serious?

Sonys lineup of games is pretty poor. As is the visuals. For a console supposedly the most powerful The One killed it. 

Panic is now, but it seems after a lacklustre showing by PS4, the panic is on the internet by many Sony fans. Not actual preorder sales in the realworld. 

I expect on Launch The One to seriously outsell PS4 with the respective launch lineups they have.

 

Hell Ryse, Forza 5, Killer Instinct are all confirmed day one. As is Sunset Overdrive. Nothing Sony showed looks that promising exclusive wise. FF15 and KH3 are already fully expected to be announced for The One very shortly. 

Also games like Killzone Shadowfall visually were destroyed y games like Ryse, Forza 5 and Battlefield 4. Quantum Break looked amazing visually. Inengine those faces were astonishing. 

Its like Sony and Mcrosoft have traded places for non shooter games. Although Microsoft seems to have kept the shooter title also. Titanfall looked amazing.

 

I feel 2 things from Sony conference. 

1. PS4 sold at a loss. Screams desperate. Screams financial end for Sony if it fails to sell much. Noone will wait till 2035 for GT7.

2. No cloud processing talked about for any games. Why would I play a game with fixed AI, when I can play a truly next gen title with real AI? Seriously. If having an internet connection improves the gameplay and is truly next gen why would I buy a PS4 which is essentially a PS3 with far less exclusives and better graphics?

Microsoft are bringing more newer experiences to the table. Cloud computing is a LARGE part of this

I felt like creating an account just to respond to some of this nonsense...

First off on of principal alone people shouldn't buy the Xbox One.  The more we give up our rights as with anything in life the more rights are taken away.  If we willingly let them push DRM on us and all of this other nonsense it will only get worse.

The Xbox One showed some great games, and I'm sure that it has a lot to offer, but we shouldn't purchase it.  I know that you and many other are very intrigued by the product and want to buy it, as do I, but we shouldn't until their policy changes.

And in response to some of your other statements...

  • I don't understand everyones interest in Ryse, it looked great visually, but gameplay wise all it uses is quicktime events, it's mostly on rails too.  It doesn't seem like it would be fun to me, and that is what I've heard from people that have played the demo as well.
  • Also you are kidding yourself if you think the PS4 lineup of games is poor, most games are multiplat, and also Playstation has more first party studios, all of them are working on games for PS4.
  • Also, your statment that Killzone Shadow was destroyed visually is based on nothing, I would venture to say that Digital Foundry and the experts who analyze graphics would strongly disagree.

In conclusion, if you look at the Xbox One and the PS4 with no bias at all, the answer is clear which console is the better choice for consumers.  The PS4 is cheaper, more powerful, and has better gaming policies, the last of which is most important to me.


On DRM. 

As a customer I dont really care if I own digital data or not. The world of Videogames on console is the last place for this sort of thing to be accepted. It WILL happen to all Digital data. So it happening now to The One doe not bother me, considering every smartphone, tablet and PC is already doing this. 

Blame the 3 million pirate copies of Halo 3 or the 2 million pirated copies of Gears of War 3 for DRM. Its the dishonest people in life whos sad pathetic excuse for not paying for anything that have resulted in this. I know plenty of sad people who havent bought films in years due to torrents or newsgroups. 

As for the visuals. 10 of the Exclusives Xbox One has all run in native 1080p and all at 60fps. ALL of them. I will definately take that venture on DF with you. After the Microsoft conference the visuals on Sonys conference didnt do much for me at all. I still cant believe the facial graphics of Quantum Break or the sheer realism of Forza 5. When I saw GT6 in the Sony Conference is was quite lacklustre visually. I know its not fair to compare, but it highlighted just how undetailed Forza 4 and GT6 are this gen.



MoHasanie on 11 June 2013

Well in terms of games, its a good time to be an Xbox gamer. But overall, its not a good time to be an Xbox gamer since the Xbox One isn't a good console. It is however a great time to be an Playstation gamer because at this point it looks like they have won the generation and also, Sony exclusives don't disappoint.



    

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WrathofTank on 11 June 2013
Multimedialover said:
WrathofTank said:

 

Are you serious?

Sonys lineup of games is pretty poor. As is the visuals. For a console supposedly the most powerful The One killed it. 

Panic is now, but it seems after a lacklustre showing by PS4, the panic is on the internet by many Sony fans. Not actual preorder sales in the realworld. 

I expect on Launch The One to seriously outsell PS4 with the respective launch lineups they have.

 

Hell Ryse, Forza 5, Killer Instinct are all confirmed day one. As is Sunset Overdrive. Nothing Sony showed looks that promising exclusive wise. FF15 and KH3 are already fully expected to be announced for The One very shortly. 

Also games like Killzone Shadowfall visually were destroyed y games like Ryse, Forza 5 and Battlefield 4. Quantum Break looked amazing visually. Inengine those faces were astonishing. 

Its like Sony and Mcrosoft have traded places for non shooter games. Although Microsoft seems to have kept the shooter title also. Titanfall looked amazing.

 

I feel 2 things from Sony conference. 

1. PS4 sold at a loss. Screams desperate. Screams financial end for Sony if it fails to sell much. Noone will wait till 2035 for GT7.

2. No cloud processing talked about for any games. Why would I play a game with fixed AI, when I can play a truly next gen title with real AI? Seriously. If having an internet connection improves the gameplay and is truly next gen why would I buy a PS4 which is essentially a PS3 with far less exclusives and better graphics?

Microsoft are bringing more newer experiences to the table. Cloud computing is a LARGE part of this

I felt like creating an account just to respond to some of this nonsense...

First off on of principal alone people shouldn't buy the Xbox One.  The more we give up our rights as with anything in life the more rights are taken away.  If we willingly let them push DRM on us and all of this other nonsense it will only get worse.

The Xbox One showed some great games, and I'm sure that it has a lot to offer, but we shouldn't purchase it.  I know that you and many other are very intrigued by the product and want to buy it, as do I, but we shouldn't until their policy changes.

And in response to some of your other statements...

  • I don't understand everyones interest in Ryse, it looked great visually, but gameplay wise all it uses is quicktime events, it's mostly on rails too.  It doesn't seem like it would be fun to me, and that is what I've heard from people that have played the demo as well.
  • Also you are kidding yourself if you think the PS4 lineup of games is poor, most games are multiplat, and also Playstation has more first party studios, all of them are working on games for PS4.
  • Also, your statment that Killzone Shadow was destroyed visually is based on nothing, I would venture to say that Digital Foundry and the experts who analyze graphics would strongly disagree.

In conclusion, if you look at the Xbox One and the PS4 with no bias at all, the answer is clear which console is the better choice for consumers.  The PS4 is cheaper, more powerful, and has better gaming policies, the last of which is most important to me.


On DRM. 

As a customer I dont really care if I own digital data or not. The world of Videogames on console is the last place for this sort of thing to be accepted. It WILL happen to all Digital data. So it happening now to The One doe not bother me, considering every smartphone, tablet and PC is already doing this. 

Blame the 3 million pirate copies of Halo 3 or the 2 million pirated copies of Gears of War 3 for DRM. Its the dishonest people in life whos sad pathetic excuse for not paying for anything that have resulted in this. I know plenty of sad people who havent bought films in years due to torrents or newsgroups. 

As for the visuals. 10 of the Exclusives Xbox One has all run in native 1080p and all at 60fps. ALL of them. I will definately take that venture on DF with you. After the Microsoft conference the visuals on Sonys conference didnt do much for me at all. I still cant believe the facial graphics of Quantum Break or the sheer realism of Forza 5. When I saw GT6 in the Sony Conference is was quite lacklustre visually. I know its not fair to compare, but it highlighted just how undetailed Forza 4 and GT6 are this gen.

I understand the thought that because it will happen with all digital data, we may as well get use to it now.  I had the exact thought, but I feel this is an opportunity to stand against bad policies.  I truely believe that after Micrsoft feels the pain of poor sales, that they will change the policies on Xbox One shortly after.

On graphics all the games you mentioned look great, I don't think I will be able to tell much of a difference between the graphical fidelity of Xbox One games and PS4 games.  However I do know that the PS4 seems to be more powerful, which should mean better graphics, but there is a lot more to games than graphics.



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DucksUnlimited on 11 June 2013
sales2099 said:
NYCrysis said:
Project Spark is on the pc as is titanfall cut that exclusive nonsense

Wheres the PS4 version?

All games that aren't on PS4 are exclusive by default.



NYCrysis on 11 June 2013
WrathofTank said:

I understand the thought that because it will happen with all digital data, we may as well get use to it now.  I had the exact thought, but I feel this is an opportunity to stand against bad policies.  I truely believe that after Micrsoft feels the pain of poor sales, that they will change the policies on Xbox One shortly after.

On graphics all the games you mentioned look great, I don't think I will be able to tell much of a difference between the graphical fidelity of Xbox One games and PS4 games.  However I do know that the PS4 seems to be more powerful, which should mean better graphics, but there is a lot more to games than graphics.


Don't even bother he is a M$ shill/pr agent not woth getting into conversation with him. Once I heard the cloud ai PR statements and the blatent bs coming out of his you know what, I just didn't bother anymore at that point.



Slimebeast on 11 June 2013
CGI-Quality said:
badgenome said:
Thank you, Microsoft.

Signed,
Kaz Hirai

I admit, I got a chcukle

OT: MS did bring their "A" game on the games front. That matters more to me than the hysteria surrounding the device. Sure, I was wrong when I said E3 would change the overall opinion of many, but then, they sold me the machine. 

How can u afford to spend so much on gaming?

First that monster machine PC, then a PS4 and Xbone during launch window.

I would like to hear your reasoning how you'll justify buying both PS4 and Xbone early, if that is the case.



gergroy on 11 June 2013

Why do people argue about how other peoples subjective opinion is wrong? Different game appeal to different people. Relax people.



lilwingman on 11 June 2013
Multimedialover said:


On DRM. 

As a customer I dont really care if I own digital data or not. The world of Videogames on console is the last place for this sort of thing to be accepted. It WILL happen to all Digital data. So it happening now to The One doe not bother me, considering every smartphone, tablet and PC is already doing this. 

Blame the 3 million pirate copies of Halo 3 or the 2 million pirated copies of Gears of War 3 for DRM. Its the dishonest people in life whos sad pathetic excuse for not paying for anything that have resulted in this. I know plenty of sad people who havent bought films in years due to torrents or newsgroups. 

As for the visuals. 10 of the Exclusives Xbox One has all run in native 1080p and all at 60fps. ALL of them. I will definately take that venture on DF with you. After the Microsoft conference the visuals on Sonys conference didnt do much for me at all. I still cant believe the facial graphics of Quantum Break or the sheer realism of Forza 5. When I saw GT6 in the Sony Conference is was quite lacklustre visually. I know its not fair to compare, but it highlighted just how undetailed Forza 4 and GT6 are this gen.


I would certainly hope this is true lol or it undermines the need for next-gen consoles completely. 

I was not particularly enthralled with anything shown, but Microsoft said they were all about the games at E3 and they absolutely were.  Whether all the games were your cup of tea or not, there's no denying that they put on an awesome show.  I wish more conferences would follow that lead.. game, game, game, game, game.. it was a lot of fun to watch.  That's why it is such a damn shame that their policies have become so ass-backwards.  The 360 was an incredible success for them, and in the last few weeks they've single-handedly undone a lot of that progress.  All the money they've spent securing exclusives or buying access to other platform's exclusives will go to waste if the console's sales numbers don't justify future exclusives.  $499 is a bit of a stretch for Joe Blow but not completely unheard of and I'm sure the system would have gone on to be just as successful as the 360 based on the library alone. Now it does not have a chance.  Damn that DRM!



It's all about the game.