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ethomaz on 04 August 2015

Chris Hu said:

You didn't proof anything I already said earlier that most of the digital bundles for the game didn't show up until after the first ten weeks of the games release yet there is no significant sales spike for the game after its first ten weeks which proofs the digital bundles aren't tracked.  Your opinion is that it sold less then 2 million but the numbers on vgchartz proof otherwise.

Let's do it again...

MS 1 million = VGC 1 million

You say VGC is not including digital... nice.

So VGC is heavy OVERTRACKING Forza 5 right now.



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Chris Hu on 04 August 2015
Aura7541 said:
Chris Hu said:

Well there aren't any other numbers that show that the game sold less also I'm using the numbers here to show that the digital bundles wheren't tracked.

That does not necessarily mean that the game didn't sell less than 2 million. We don't know until shown otherwise by Microsoft, the International Data Group, or some other data corporation. The best we know about Forza 5's sales is when Microsoft said that a third of the XBO userbase purchased a copy of the game in February 18, 2014. Note that MS did not specify retail copies, just copies. Therefore, it is likely that digital sales were included in the 1 million announcement.

But most of the digital bundles for the game didn't show up until after the Feburary 18, 2014 and I already said numerous times that there isn't a noticeable sales spike for the game after its first ten weeks which pretty much proofs that digital copies aren't tracked.



ethomaz on 04 August 2015

Aura7541 said:

That does not necessarily mean that the game didn't sell less than 2 million. We don't know until shown otherwise by Microsoft, the International Data Group, or some other data corporation. The best we know about Forza 5's sales is when Microsoft said that a third of the XBO userbase purchased a copy of the game in February 18, 2014. Note that MS did not specify retail copies, just copies. Therefore, it is likely that digital sales were included in the 1 million announcement.

VGC shows 1,085,661 for Feb 15.

It is a bit over what MS said but you can trace only two theories here:

1) VGC includes digital bundles and the numbers are close to MS ones.
2) VGC didn't include digital bundles and it is overtracked Forza 5 by a lot until the MS numbers (1 million).

In any case Cris is talking nonsense here.

I believe (my opinion) that Forza 5 didn't crossed 2 million but I can't prove that (neither you or Cris can prove otherwise)... in any case I believe VGC overtracked Forza 5 until 1 million announced even if they included digital bundles (the overtracked is small if they included).

That is how VGC is off with Forza 5 sales.



ethomaz on 04 August 2015

Chris Hu said:

But most of the digital bundles for the game didn't show up until after the Feburary 18, 2014 and I already said numerous times that there isn't a noticeable sales spike for the game after its first ten weeks which pretty much proofs that digital copies aren't tracked.

Stop.

There are tons of Day One Edition with Forza 5 included (digital or retail).

You won't see spike because Xbone tanked hard in sales and most sales after Feb were Titanfall bundles.



Aura7541 on 04 August 2015
Chris Hu said:
Aura7541 said:

That does not necessarily mean that the game didn't sell less than 2 million. We don't know until shown otherwise by Microsoft, the International Data Group, or some other data corporation. The best we know about Forza 5's sales is when Microsoft said that a third of the XBO userbase purchased a copy of the game in February 18, 2014. Note that MS did not specify retail copies, just copies. Therefore, it is likely that digital sales were included in the 1 million announcement.

But most of the digital bundles for the game didn't show up until after the Feburary 18, 2014 and I already said numerous times that there isn't a noticeable sales spike for the game after its first ten weeks which pretty much proofs that digital copies aren't tracked.

However, you still do not know how many digital sales were there prior to the bundle. Not to mention, the XBO wasn't selling so hot after February regardless. Even including bundles, digital sales were likely low. Titanfall was the centerpiece game for March and the Kinectless XBO was the focus of June. There is really no reason to conclude that digital sales were high for Forza 5 and you don't have any definitive numbers to show otherwise.



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Chris Hu on 04 August 2015
ethomaz said:

Chris Hu said:

You didn't proof anything I already said earlier that most of the digital bundles for the game didn't show up until after the first ten weeks of the games release yet there is no significant sales spike for the game after its first ten weeks which proofs the digital bundles aren't tracked.  Your opinion is that it sold less then 2 million but the numbers on vgchartz proof otherwise.

Let's do it again...

MS 1 million = VGC 1 million

You say VGC is not including digital... nice.

So VGC is heavy OVERTRACKING Forza 5 right now.

That one million was almost two years ago so no heavy overtracking over one million of its sales came during its first ten weeks after launch the other million the almost two years after its first ten weeks the game has been out for almost two years already.  Also the only giant spike in the games leaderboards came when it was free for one weekend shortly before Horizon 2 came out and about a million people downloaded it for free which also proofs that the game was never heavily bundled or there would have been steady heavy gains on its leaderboards.



ethomaz on 04 August 2015

Chris Hu said:

That one million was almost two years ago so no heavy overtracking over one million of its sales came during its first ten weeks after launch the other million the almost two years after its first ten weeks the game has been out for almost two years already.  Also the only giant spike in the games leaderboards came when it was free for one weekend shortly before Horizon 2 came out and about a million people downloaded it for free which also proofs that the game was never heavily bundled or there would have been steady heavy gains on its leaderboards.

You really don't understand... no?

It doesn't matter if it was 2 years ago or last week... this is the only official number we have that shows Forza 5 OVERTRACKED here:

1) A bit less overtracked if VGC included digital bundles
2) Heavy overtracked if VGC didn't include digital bundles

Take your side.

Deal with facts.



Chris Hu on 04 August 2015
ethomaz said:

Aura7541 said:

That does not necessarily mean that the game didn't sell less than 2 million. We don't know until shown otherwise by Microsoft, the International Data Group, or some other data corporation. The best we know about Forza 5's sales is when Microsoft said that a third of the XBO userbase purchased a copy of the game in February 18, 2014. Note that MS did not specify retail copies, just copies. Therefore, it is likely that digital sales were included in the 1 million announcement.

VGC shows 1,085,661 for Feb 15.

It is a bit over what MS said but you can trace only two theories here:

1) VGC includes digital bundles and the numbers are close to MS ones.
2) VGC didn't include digital bundles and it is overtracked Forza 5 by a lot until the MS numbers (1 million).

In any case Cris is talking nonsense here.

I believe (my opinion) that Forza 5 didn't crossed 2 million but I can't prove that (neither you or Cris can prove otherwise)... in any case I believe VGC overtracked Forza 5 until 1 million announced even if they included digital bundles (the overtracked is small if they included).

That is how VGC is off with Forza 5 sales.

The game passed the million mark on the week of January 18th 2014 its ninth week of sales by by Februrary 2015 it was over 1.8 million already.



Chris Hu on 04 August 2015
ethomaz said:

Chris Hu said:

That one million was almost two years ago so no heavy overtracking over one million of its sales came during its first ten weeks after launch the other million the almost two years after its first ten weeks the game has been out for almost two years already.  Also the only giant spike in the games leaderboards came when it was free for one weekend shortly before Horizon 2 came out and about a million people downloaded it for free which also proofs that the game was never heavily bundled or there would have been steady heavy gains on its leaderboards.

You really don't understand... no?

It doesn't matter if it was 2 years ago or last week... this is the only official number we have that shows Forza 5 OVERTRACKED here:

1) A bit less overtracked if VGC included digital bundles
2) Heavy overtracked if VGC didn't include digital bundles

Take your side.

Deal with facts.

Your the one that isn't dealing with facts its not heavily overtracked and it never was heavily bundled.



ethomaz on 04 August 2015

Chris Hu said:

The game passed the million mark on the week of January 18th 2014 its ninth week of sales by by Februrary 2015 it was over 1.8 million already.

Who I believe?

MS tells me the game crossed 1 million in Feb 18, 2014.
Chris try to argue it is Jan 18, 2014.

Who is giving a shit to Feb 2015 lol

The only official number is Feb 2014 that VGC is OVERTRACKING it even if they are including digital lol

Chris you are in a nullshell... the FACTs are different outside it.