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Chark said:
irstupid said:
That is the problem with any future tv resolution advancements. Sony and other companies doing things like 4k or whatever else insane resolutions they are trying to strive for, should really go and talk to an optometrist

They need to be told that at some point the human eye can no longer tell the difference, so what is the point of going beyond that?

I figure the average person sits about 15 feet away from decently sized TV's these days. According to this chart that woudl equate to like a 125" TV before 4k becomes noticable.

http://s3.carltonbale.com/resolution_chart.html

To get full benefit at even say 10' it becomes like 150+ inch screen. Can't really determine full benefit for any distance longer than 10' away. But based on how 5' is 80", I figure 15' would be 220". As you can see to get the full benefit of a 4k tv, it needs to basically be a movie theater.

That's all 4k tv's will ever be. Movie theaters. If your a millionaire and have your own movie theater room, then you might buy a tv like this. But even if they were only $500, there is no point in them. You are not going to notice much of any difference based on where your sitting.


I sit around 10 feet away so a 55" 4K tv would be noticable for me. 10 to 5 feet is my preference and I would think most people sit around the 10 feet range, not 15.

I don't think you understand how to read that chart. 

At 10', away a 55" tv you are only seeing some of the benefits of a 1080p tv.  You aren't even seeing 1080p full benefits.  At 10' away you would need at minimum an 80" 4k tv.

Then it gets to once you are on a 80" tv, you do nto want to sit 10' away.  You would be farther than that, and thus would again need to increase your tv size.  Anybody I know that has a 50" tv size or larger you are sitting 15' away i find.  In order to have a 50" tv you usually have a very large room and thus how the furniture is situated you are going to find yourself 15' away.  

But again, even at 10', you would need at minimum a 80" tv for 4k to be noticable at all.  For it's full benefits at 10' it would need to be like 150"



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I also recently saw one at a Sony store. I most certainly wouldn't buy one at their current prices and lack of content, and yes the jump isn't as noticeable as SD to HD but I was definitely impressed. The image was amazing!



Maybe I can add some constructive input here since I love home theatre.

When people moved from SD to 1080 HD, I noticed a lot of people saying, hey, this is not the same jump as from VHS to DVD, why is that? There are so many reasons for this perception and I think it's history repeating when it comes to 4k.

There are a lot of variables that come into play when viewing high quality content. There is:

  • Obvious quality of the display.
  • Bitrate.
  • Viewing distance
  • Source quality
  • Calibration
  • Law of diminishing returns
The first point speaks for itself.
Bitrate - the bitrate which is also related to the source, is going to be different depending on medium. HD TV will never look as good as Blu-ray. I first came across a test broadcast of HD TV in Australia I think back in 2001. A shop had it running. On close inspection, it was not HD. It was Enhanced Definition. One of the networks was broadcasting 575p (progressive). I argued this with the saleman. I don't think he understood. Another network was testing 1080i. We switched to that, then I noticed they had a composite cable. from the DTV receiver. Well that wont work. the whole setup was screwed. So look next time, when you see a test display of 4k. Being early days, and if displayed in a typical franchised store, good chance it's not even setup properly :).
So onto viewing distance. Without linking to some THX standard of viewing angles somewhere in the range of 24-30 degree's the fact is most people are sitting so far away from what we think are large displays, that the  resolution of the pixel has become so small that the experience of "HD" has been compromised severely. Off the top of my head, you have to be sitting roughly only 2 meters from a 55in TV to get the full benefit of a 1080p source. Any further and you are just seeing a pretty picture.
This is where a good home projector really kicks in. Basically, the bigger the picture the more likely you are going to be sitting at a distance that falls within the range of THX recommendations, without even thinking about it. But most people with a well setup projector would be aware of this. Most casual people with a 55 inch TV are not aware of this.
Obviously source quality is important. All consumer digital video presentation has compression. I think nearly all video is a loss type compression hence you will never get a true life stream. Comparing HD TV transmissions to Blu-ray is pointless. Blu-ray shits over HDTV transmissions due to bitrates. I think 4k has a huge barrier here. To get 4k at a decent bitrate requires a lot of bandwidth. No consumer physical source stacks up. If you wanna get it streamed, I'd be thinking you still wont get the potential with even advanced compression at 100mb/s. Bandwidth is the main barrier to good 4k.
Calibration is very important, probably more so with a projector. Simple things like controlling ambient light - hugely important with projectors. Plasma TV's benefit more from light control than LCD/LED backlit. At the end of the day, viewing at night is just better :)
There is the law of diminishing returns. With each new standard, people want to expect the same level of Wow and same level of perceived change. For myself, I probably notice more improvement compared to others with each iteration of change but I think that's because I understand the pre-requisits for viewing distance and a good setup. However, for me, it's still diminishing returns.
Jow Blow will just see the different HD standards without taking into consideration the absolute need for the setup. "I'll just view my 40in from 5m's and then wonder why the picture looks the same. What is all the fuss?"



I don't care, lol I want the latest and greatest xD



from what i hear a you need a certain size TV to even know the difference even then it isn't much from what i hear



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How is it overrated when most people agree with you....



It was Glasses-Free 3D for up to 9 people can see while walking around. I'm guessing since its a 4K HD TV.

Did you read any of it's capabilities?

I can personally see their being people out there buying it if it also does glasses-free 3D that adjust as people move around for the 9 closest people to see  the 3D no matter how much they move all over the place.



think-man said:
I don't care, lol I want the latest and greatest xD


So you will get the 4K Hd TV?

You do know that you would be buying a glasses-free 3D TV if you get a 4K HD TV, right?

It adjust to the 9 closest people as they move around, so 9 people can always see the 3D effect.

It should be pretty awesome, but I can't wait to upgrade from my 19 standard-Defintion TV any longer, so I'm getting a 42 inch VIZIO Smart 3D HD TV (1080p) LCD, it has practically just as many deep levels of black as an LED TV.

But if I could afford it, then I would go for the 4K HD TV for its glasses-free 3D technology.



I agree with this post.



Thank god ps4 is 1080p now I don't have to get a new tv for awhile. Believe it or not ps3 was the only reason I got a HDTV.