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theprof00 said:
absolute waste of time.


You really don't think it's a problem that the Justice Department is more or less destroying freedom of the press by issuing ridiculiously broad patents to essentially know who EVERYONE any AP reporter has talked to in the last 3 months... without even notifying the press, and without judicial oversight?

I mean... http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2013/05/ap-phone-record-scandal-justice-department-law.html

Or that the IRS speciically targeted groups for audit that "Critisize the government."

 

I mean seriously prof.  You should be better than this.  These are some very serious ass things that are nearly impossible to justify as not important.

 

Those are things that would be MAJOR scandals for every president post Kennedy.  Hell... they'd more or less be the biggest scandals for any President post Nixon.



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I'm not American so I don't know what this is about. But when I first read the title I thought it was a Game of Thrones joke. Danerys Targarian, represented by the 3 headed dragon. Lol. Evidently not the case.



A203D said:
I'm not American so I don't know what this is about. But when I first read the title I thought it was a Game of Thrones joke. Danerys Targarian, represented by the 3 headed dragon. Lol. Evidently not the case.

Basically the IRS specifically targeted opposition political groups for tax audits and harrassment.  The Government demanded the phone records for the majority of news reporters over the last 2 month period with seemingly no justification, and without notifying the AP in the first place so it could legally question the supeona and the government lied about the cause of a terrorist act, presumibly to hide the fact that a ambassador died in an attack that they were warned about, by a group of people the president said were pacified, even after that area had been attacked multiple times before and the embassy had been attacked just a month or two before.



Kasz216 said:

You really don't think it's a problem that the Justice Department is more or less destroying freedom of the press by issuing ridiculiously broad patents to essentially know who EVERYONE any AP reporter has talked to in the last 3 months... without even notifying the press, and without judicial oversight?

I mean... http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2013/05/ap-phone-record-scandal-justice-department-law.html

Or that the IRS speciically targeted groups for audit that "Critisize the government."

 

I mean seriously prof.  You should be better than this.  These are some very serious ass things that are nearly impossible to justify as not important.

 

Those are things that would be MAJOR scandals for every president post Kennedy.  Hell... they'd more or less be the biggest scandals for any President post Nixon.

But don't you get it, Kasz? The Republicans want to hurt Obama! If we care when his administration does bad things, then the terrorists Republicans win!



scat398 said:
Flanneryaug said:
NintendoPie said:
Flanneryaug said:
Americans have very short term memories. The AP thing will be forgotten very quickly, since most Americans couldn't care less about the Associated Press. Same goes for the IRS thing. Americans will probably get sick of the Benghazi issue, since most of the information just keeps being repeated, and the hearings are pointless.

It'll be forgotten until the end of his term when everyone reviews how much they hated/loved it.

I doubt people would even remember it. There are a lot of "scandals" during almost every administration. The little things mean nothing in the long run, only the big issues have any impact (Vietnam war, Watergate, Great Depression, etc..).

Well the only problem is the American public may not be allowed to forget it.  

I think the sequester lie started the concern( Woodward called out Obama) but the younger press guys let it slide.  Benghazi was seen as partisan but it did make the younger press members tilt their heads a little and say " hey I was used".  The IRS thing has them all saying "shit, you guys actually do over reach and abuse power" but the straw that breaks the camels back is definitely the ap one, now they are all saying " not only did you use me now you are going after my phone records." As John Stewart said "mother f'ers".  

 

The public may get tired of it but the press won't.

It's true that the press often promotes news that bothers them more than the average American, but they eventually stop once page views on those stories drop.



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It's obviously a problem, but in the scope of things kaz these are soinor compared to health care reform (hospitals chargong 200 $ for 3 $ ace bandages) livelihoods and households ruined by healthcare costs.
The economy.
Job growth.
International affairs like libya, korea.
Minimum wage.
Tax code rewriting.

But instead we are going to blow this up for the next three years and avoid any real work.
This is all bullshit.

Irs was the irs, not obama.
Libya was the cia.
Ap was cia.

None of this has anything to do with obama, and just think about how businesses work. There are always people doing things, potentially on their own, that nobody knows they're doing, or doing something under authorization of some such bill or authorization that they don't feel it necessary to seek approval.

The government performs millions of actions everyday. Why would we assume that obama is specifically tied to them?
In massachusetts there was a scandal with one of the higher ups involved withcases where drugs were tested and thousands of criminals got retrials or were let go. Should we blame him for it becayse his friend is the governor?



Lol, it's just sad that some people still think Obama was the lesser of two evils in the elections.

“The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. government can’t pay its own bills. ... I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America’s debt limit.”
— Then-Sen. Barack Obama, floor speech in the Senate, March 16, 2006

To me this feels like a 2 weeks notice, I don't give a shit attitude. I have serious doubts that anything happens, despite knowing it was a terrorist attack from the beginning and pawning it off as a spontaneous riot due to a documentary. Transparency!



theprof00 said:
Irs was the irs, not obama.
Libya was the cia.
Ap was cia.

It was the Justice Department that spied on the AP.

It's rather peculiar to act like it shouldn't be a problem for the president when his administration does something awful or even illegal just because he wasn't personally involved in it. That is typically how it works. If the best case scenario is that he really doesn't know about anything that's going on in his entire administration, that is pretty damning in and of itself.



I would call it a two-headed dragon...the Benghazi thing is republicans trying to make "A mountain out of an anthill"



badgenome said:
theprof00 said:
Irs was the irs, not obama.
Libya was the cia.
Ap was cia.

It was the Justice Department that spied on the AP.

It's rather peculiar to act like it shouldn't be a problem for the president when his administration does something awful or even illegal just because he wasn't personally involved in it. That is typically how it works. If the best case scenario is that he really doesn't know about anything that's going on in his entire administration, that is pretty damning in and of itself.

And this is why I say, regardless of what happens, politics has shown me that we can always blame obama. Whether it's his fault or not his fault, it's his fault.

Again, there are much bigger fish to fry.