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(Yeah, part two...)

"Over the weekend, I delivered an extensive breakdown of some of the biggest myths about the popularity of “core” Nintendo titles on Wii. Many of you expressed that you would have liked me to focus more closely on the performance of third party titles in my discussion, to give a better picture of how Wii performed as a whole, not just on the first-party side.

It’s commonly said that third party companies couldn’t find good sales on Wii. While I won’t bother to dispute the idea that third-party titles were definitely more prevalent on HD platforms, one of the suggestions of this idea seems to be that those companies also struggled on Wii relative to past Nintendo consoles. However, that simply isn’t true."

 

-> The Mean Average Sales for Third-Party Titles Improved on Wii

-> Core Third-Party Titles Achieved Strong Sales on Wii

From Gengame.net

 

Well...thoughts?



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3rd party titles sold better on the 90m+ Wii than the 20m Gamecube? That's not very surprising.

The problem is how 3rd party games sold much much better on the PS360 with much lower install bases. This is what people refere to when they say 3rd party games don't sell on Nintendo.



well, wii had some successful third party games but many of them were only dance games, lego and skylanders games and fitness games and i think wii u will get those as well (it already got a lego and just dance game). it's not as if wii u will get 0 third party games, it will get hundreds of third party games, just maybe not many ego-shooters and stuff like that



crissindahouse said:

well, wii had some successful third party games but many of them were only dance games, lego and skylanders games and fitness games and i think wii u will get those as well (it already got a lego and just dance game). it's not as if wii u will get 0 third party games, it will get hundreds of third party games, just maybe not many ego-shooters and stuff like that

and a fitness games that completely flopped (you have to question why they didn't release a Kinect version):
http://www.vgchartz.com/game/71079/your-shape-fitness-evolved-2013/Global/



RolStoppable said:
I think it was Michael Pachter (or perhaps an NPD analyst) who once said in response to rising third party software sales on the Wii that if your games aren't Nintendo games or third party games that sell, then your games don't sell. That was basically the premise to keep arguing that it doesn't make sense for third parties to make games for the Wii.

That has to be the most insightful thing I've ever read.



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If only Nintendo could keep those consumers interested. 2008 was AMAZING for the company



     
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crissindahouse said:

well, wii had some successful third party games but many of them were only dance games, lego and skylanders games and fitness games and i think wii u will get those as well (it already got a lego and just dance game). it's not as if wii u will get 0 third party games, it will get hundreds of third party games, just maybe not many ego-shooters and stuff like that


Hmm  let me think about what kind of commercials I saw. Oh yeah Just Dance, Skylanders and Lego games....... hmmm..... I wonder if there is any connection.

Well and  Goldeneye Wii   but certainly that game didnt sell a single copy since marketing cant have any effect right? Oh wait it sold almost 2million copies (compared to 1 million on PS360 COMBINED!)  STRANGE.....

(you know third party makes multiplat commercials and the only version missing in the commercial is the Wii version?!?! Seriously there is no work at all and no additional cost in  putting the Wii case next to the Ps360 cases when you already have the commercial.)


Just sayin  




JazzB1987 said:
crissindahouse said:

well, wii had some successful third party games but many of them were only dance games, lego and skylanders games and fitness games and i think wii u will get those as well (it already got a lego and just dance game). it's not as if wii u will get 0 third party games, it will get hundreds of third party games, just maybe not many ego-shooters and stuff like that


Hmm  let me think about what kind of commercials I saw. Oh yeah Just Dance, Skylanders and Lego games....... hmmm..... I wonder if there is any connection.

Well and  Goldeneye Wii   but certainly that game didnt sell a single copy since marketing cant have any effect right? Oh wait it sold almost 2million copies (compared to 1 million on PS360 COMBINED!)  STRANGE.....

(you know third party makes multiplat commercials and the only version missing in the commercial is the Wii version?!?! Seriously there is no work at all and no additional cost in  putting the Wii case next to the Ps360 cases when you already have the commercial.)


Just sayin  


or maybe most of those people who bought goldeneye knew it already from n64 and own a wii and no ps360? and there was not really a reason to buy goldeneye on ps360 with games like killzone, halo or whatever else...

but i know, it's always every third party who is so stupid and doesn't make more games for wii like we have on ps360. i read that now for years almost every day and i still believe that all those companies know more about their business as some fans on the internet know.

or maybe it's so horrible to work with nintendo that most developers only make the simple games for wii because nintendo isn't a good partner to work with/for? who knows?

it's not as if i wouldn't like to see more support for nintendo, my two favourite consoles are both from nintendo and also most of my favourite games were on their systems but i just won't believe that all the developers are stupid and there isn't a logical reason we maybe don't know about



crissindahouse said:
JazzB1987 said:
crissindahouse said:

well, wii had some successful third party games but many of them were only dance games, lego and skylanders games and fitness games and i think wii u will get those as well (it already got a lego and just dance game). it's not as if wii u will get 0 third party games, it will get hundreds of third party games, just maybe not many ego-shooters and stuff like that


Hmm  let me think about what kind of commercials I saw. Oh yeah Just Dance, Skylanders and Lego games....... hmmm..... I wonder if there is any connection.

Well and  Goldeneye Wii   but certainly that game didnt sell a single copy since marketing cant have any effect right? Oh wait it sold almost 2million copies (compared to 1 million on PS360 COMBINED!)  STRANGE.....

(you know third party makes multiplat commercials and the only version missing in the commercial is the Wii version?!?! Seriously there is no work at all and no additional cost in  putting the Wii case next to the Ps360 cases when you already have the commercial.)


Just sayin  


or maybe most of those people who bought goldeneye knew it already from n64 and own a wii and no ps360? and there was not really a reason to buy goldeneye on ps360 with games like killzone, halo or whatever else...

but i know, it's always every third party who is so stupid and doesn't make more games for wii like we have on ps360. i read that now for years almost every day and i still believe that all those companies know more about their business as some fans on the internet know.

or maybe it's so horrible to work with nintendo that most developers only make the simple games for wii because nintendo isn't a good partner to work with/for? who knows?

it's not as if i wouldn't like to see more support for nintendo, my two favourite consoles are both from nintendo and also most of my favourite games were on their systems but i just won't believe that all the developers are stupid and there isn't a logical reason we maybe don't know about

"i still believe that all those companies know more about their business as some fans on the internet know."
Yeah right  like  announcing  Metal Gear Solid HD (Trilogy?)   and Mass Effect Trilogy  before the 3DS and WiiU  versions were released  also  TOTALLY did NOT kill the 3DS and WiiU game and totally did not WASTE money.

You are right  please excuse my ignorance. I am sorry :)  of course  a random person cant be smarter than a company....   silly me....


"or maybe it's so horrible to work with nintendo that most developers only make the simple games for wii because nintendo isn't a good partner to work with/for?"
You realize that making  shitty/simple games  and making  good games for a Nintendo system requires the same procedure? You have to do the exact same thing with the "developer unfriendly" Nintendo.   So this point my friend makes 0 sense.  Nintendo clearly seems to be a bad business partner when there is no such thing as  Kingdom Hearts, Final Fantasy, Dead or Alive, Splinter Cell, Street Fighter etc.  on  DS or 3DS.

You know why shovelware hit Wii and alot of good games avoided it? Because third party wanted it.




JazzB1987 said:
crissindahouse said:
JazzB1987 said:
crissindahouse said:

well, wii had some successful third party games but many of them were only dance games, lego and skylanders games and fitness games and i think wii u will get those as well (it already got a lego and just dance game). it's not as if wii u will get 0 third party games, it will get hundreds of third party games, just maybe not many ego-shooters and stuff like that


Hmm  let me think about what kind of commercials I saw. Oh yeah Just Dance, Skylanders and Lego games....... hmmm..... I wonder if there is any connection.

Well and  Goldeneye Wii   but certainly that game didnt sell a single copy since marketing cant have any effect right? Oh wait it sold almost 2million copies (compared to 1 million on PS360 COMBINED!)  STRANGE.....

(you know third party makes multiplat commercials and the only version missing in the commercial is the Wii version?!?! Seriously there is no work at all and no additional cost in  putting the Wii case next to the Ps360 cases when you already have the commercial.)


Just sayin  


or maybe most of those people who bought goldeneye knew it already from n64 and own a wii and no ps360? and there was not really a reason to buy goldeneye on ps360 with games like killzone, halo or whatever else...

but i know, it's always every third party who is so stupid and doesn't make more games for wii like we have on ps360. i read that now for years almost every day and i still believe that all those companies know more about their business as some fans on the internet know.

or maybe it's so horrible to work with nintendo that most developers only make the simple games for wii because nintendo isn't a good partner to work with/for? who knows?

it's not as if i wouldn't like to see more support for nintendo, my two favourite consoles are both from nintendo and also most of my favourite games were on their systems but i just won't believe that all the developers are stupid and there isn't a logical reason we maybe don't know about

"i still believe that all those companies know more about their business as some fans on the internet know."
Yeah right  like  announcing  Metal Gear Solid HD (Trilogy?)   and Mass Effect Trilogy  before the 3DS and WiiU  versions were released  also  TOTALLY did NOT kill the 3DS and WiiU game and totally did not WASTE money.

You are right  please excuse my ignorance. I am sorry :)  of course  a random person cant be smarter than a company....   silly me....


"or maybe it's so horrible to work with nintendo that most developers only make the simple games for wii because nintendo isn't a good partner to work with/for?"
You realize that making  shitty/simple games  and making  good games for a Nintendo system requires the same procedure? You have to do the exact same thing with the "developer unfriendly" Nintendo.   So this point my friend makes 0 sense.  Nintendo clearly seems to be a bad business partner when there is no such thing as  Kingdom Hearts, Final Fantasy, Dead or Alive, Splinter Cell, Street Fighter etc.  on  DS or 3DS.

You know why shovelware hit Wii and alot of good games avoided it? Because third party wanted it.


well, whatever it is, there will be a reason for it and probably not "they are all clueless and hate nintendo without nintendo's fault". at least that's how most sound when they talk about them.