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ethomaz on 23 February 2013

Tachikoma said:

$6092 total, actually.

Before people step in and say "omg 6000 for games", I use the machine for work primarily, where the additional power and processing capability is very welcome, and actually cost me much less than opting to run multiple K20 Tesla units.

I don't have any Vegeta picture with 6000

It's we will never say that only become a bit envious.



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mamec on 23 February 2013
TheJimbo1234 said:
raf40928 said:
TheJimbo1234 said:
zero129 said:

So i have seen a lot of so called PC guys posting how the graphics on PC is better then the Ps4 and that console gamers are only now catching up etc etc.

Are you guys getting annoyed by this type of stuff popping inot almost every PS4 thread??.


No, because it is true. PC's have been running DX11 for years and the GTX 680 has been out for a while. However, a console will cost far less (hopefully) so that makes up for it all.


First off the PS4 is a PC in a console case.. They are not using high end parts or the PS4 would launch at 1000 dollars instead of 400/450 for the entry level and 500/ 550 premium.. They are using mid range parts.. anyone who understands pc architecture knows a high end pc will look amd run better...Essentiallynsony is admitting the Cell proessor was a mistake,  they abandoned plans to use an updated Cell in the PS4... And now Sony fans can eat crow.. Last gen all you heard was 'Xbox is basically a PC' .. sony seems to have changed its tune after announcing in late 2012 that its lost nearly 6 Billion dollars and has had FOUR straight years of losses... Most Sony fans look at comsole numbers sold without realising just how much Sony has lost on the PS3.. The PS2 grew Sony to new heights.. The ps3 has even caused Sony to sell assets to raise cash to make this console happen..

There are alot of people that play consoles that know what PC architecture is.. I used to be a computer technician and built many computers for myself and friends...

 

just go read articles on the PS4.. You'll see in FACT the ps4 uses an X86 cpu!  What does X86 mean?  The x is a variable number that represent the evolution of Personal Computer (PC) Cpu's..... In example 15 years ago they might went from a 386.. To. 486.. Eventually they began putting an X where the first number went..

 

The PS4 uses an AMD x86 processor for the CPU.. Ive been using AMD ( advanced micro devices ) in my windows PC for over 10 years since Amd came out with the AMD athlon... 

Anyone who doubts the ps4 is now using a PC cpu please go look up a PC at best buy .. Choose amd processor and look up archictecture... Further more the xbox will be using pretty close the the same GPU as the PS4- even made by the same company .. An ATI processor, which was bought out years ago by who....?  AMD


You are partially there, but wrong on most things.

Firstly, it is "like a PC", but very far from one as they wiull have a custom board which will be nothing like your standard mobo. Yes the parts are not great (bar the RAM), but they don't need to be due to the high efficiency consoles can achieve.

The Cell was a good idea, but the issue was that it was Sony and IBM, not AMD or Intel. Since the Cell, APU Proc have come to the market and been a huge success, and the PS4 does use a APU, but it is not the Cell, but probably an A10 or one from AMDs range. The only issue was that the Cell did not use X86 architecture, and this was a rookie mistake as it made programming for it different (not harder, just different).

Sony changed its tune due to a new CEO coming in who has blitz Sony and seems to be doing a great job with redesigning the companies structure and approach.

NB. I have a degree in Electronic Eng so I know a lot about this.

 

About " high efficiency", we don't know anything about PS4 spechs refering power consume/performance. So talking about this whitout numbers...

 

¿?! About the Cell: No, Power Pc based is not a good idea in long term, ask Apple.



Tachikoma on 23 February 2013

I will say this much, I feel sorry for anyone that spends more than $1500 on a PC with the intent on using it 'just' for games.

On top of that, anyone who thinks a console isn't efficient clearly hasn't ever used an extremely high end PC, my beast is currently drawing 1.5kw on load.



Tachikoma on 23 February 2013
CGI-Quality said:
Tachikoma said:
CGI-Quality said:
Tachikoma said:
Oh, what? Sorry i was too busy playing Crysis 3 at 5760×1080 in 3D..

Since that's the case, how's it looking?

And, what are you specs?

Right now, i7 3970X EE, 32gb ram, EVGA X79 Dark, 4x Asus GTX Titan in quad SLI, 2x EVGA Classidied SR2 psu's, 3x Acer GD245HQ 3D monitors and a pair of nvidia 3d vision ver2 glasses.

As for how it looks:

http://nyleveia.com/C3/Crysis3%202013-02-23%2013-55-27-81.png
http://nyleveia.com/C3/Crysis3%202013-02-23%2013-55-41-78.png
http://nyleveia.com/C3/Crysis3%202013-02-23%2013-55-59-50.png

There's some hud distortion and the FOV needs tweaking, but very playable either way, (screenies are obviously with 3d vision disabled)

Very similar specs to me, but did you really buy 4 of those Titans? O_O

I have some um, connections, so i was able to buy direct from Asus at a discount, still cost $2730 for all four though.
I did say i'd be buying them :P - http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=5053746

Since they can do quad I opted for 4.



mamec on 23 February 2013
Tachikoma said:

I will say this much, I feel sorry for anyone that spends more than $1500 on a PC with the intent on using it 'just' for games.

On top of that, anyone who thinks a console isn't efficient clearly hasn't ever used an extremely high end PC, my beast is currently drawing 1.5kw on load.


4x Asus GTX Titan... what do you expected?. And only one videocard used for gaming.



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Tachikoma on 23 February 2013
mamec said:
Tachikoma said:

I will say this much, I feel sorry for anyone that spends more than $1500 on a PC with the intent on using it 'just' for games.

On top of that, anyone who thinks a console isn't efficient clearly hasn't ever used an extremely high end PC, my beast is currently drawing 1.5kw on load.


4x Asus GTX Titan... what do you expected?. And only one videocard used for gaming.

Er, do you actually know what SLI is?, All four are used, though for some games having the fourth makes it slower than having just three (CPU bottlenecking), so i am occasionally dedicating the fourth to physx depending on the game/resolution.



ethomaz on 23 February 2013

Tachikoma said:

Er, do you actually know what SLI is?, All four are used, though for some games having the fourth makes it slower than having just three (CPU bottlenecking), so i am occasionally dedicating the fourth to physx depending on the game/resolution.

I think not all games scales well over 2x SLI but there are some games that scales great with 3x or 4x SLI.

Edit - It's more about driver/game issue than hardware... some games didn't scale well because the software.



Tachikoma on 23 February 2013
CGI-Quality said:
Tachikoma said:
CGI-Quality said:
Tachikoma said:

Right now, i7 3970X EE, 32gb ram, EVGA X79 Dark, 4x Asus GTX Titan in quad SLI, 2x EVGA Classidied SR2 psu's, 3x Acer GD245HQ 3D monitors and a pair of nvidia 3d vision ver2 glasses.

As for how it looks:

http://nyleveia.com/C3/Crysis3%202013-02-23%2013-55-27-81.png
http://nyleveia.com/C3/Crysis3%202013-02-23%2013-55-41-78.png
http://nyleveia.com/C3/Crysis3%202013-02-23%2013-55-59-50.png

There's some hud distortion and the FOV needs tweaking, but very playable either way, (screenies are obviously with 3d vision disabled)

Very similar specs to me, but did you really buy 4 of those Titans? O_O

I have some um, connections, so i was able to buy direct from Asus at a discount, still cost $2730 for all four though.
I did say i'd be buying them :P - http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=5053746

Since they can do quad I opted for 4.

Never thought you were serious! I'd love to see a pic of your setup!

And people got on ME for my hardware!

Will snap a shot tomorrow when theres some decent light in the room, needless to say they just look like a big square block, i kinda prefered the design of the GTX580's i have in my other rig, the heatpipe made it look almost steampunk.

Two of these GTX580's are not-for-public-sale internal development units that i got direct from Gigabyte.



JinxRake on 23 February 2013

Interesting thing.

At the launch of the PS2 / Dreamcast / Xbox / Gamecube eras, almost all of gaming looked better on a PC. Putting together a PC version of...I dunno, Halo...against the console counterpart always resulted in the PC looking better.
In that time frame all of these environments for games thrived. The PS2 has had an amazing library of games, the Gamecube as well, the Dreamcast is the stuff of legend and the Xbox had...its share I guess, never paid it much attention. Gaming was blooming and going places. It wasn't so much back then of how much your PC outclassed your console but rather of what you were enjoying and where. There was no arms race for who had the better graphics or whatever, since games were what mattered.

I feel that a lot of people have lost sight of this simple fact. Games matter. Not which platform does it prettier, but only which does it best. And the best is subjective.



brendude13 on 23 February 2013

I got used to them long ago.

Am I the only one that thinks the Killzone Shadow Fall demo looks better than any PC game?