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DanneSandin on 23 February 2013
Demensha said:
Why would Nintendo cancel a game from a 3rd party because they wouldn't give up 256gb of ram. Usually it would work the other way. About new Nintendo console coming well that I agree with. I think Nintendo will be working to move towards 3-4 year cycles to help improve specs (from their side) whie keeping costs a lot lower than trying to be bleeding edge. Imagine moving forward every 3 years we get a newer Nintendo console with full BC at 199$. Apple does it yearly at 500$.
The only game I could see being exclusive going to ps4 would be zombiu. I know that wasn't a Japanese but it is survival horror and maybe you claimed Japan to throw us off the trail.

I do not know why Nintendo canclelled those 2 games, and neither does my source. But 3rd parties are feed up with the way they've been treated by Nintendo holding them back, and that's why EA has dropped the support.



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Cobretti2 on 23 February 2013
DanneSandin said:
coolguy said:
nintendo should let 3th party devs have all of 1 gig of ram

I know, they really should! Perhaps they have now, but that wasn't the case up until quite late...


big deal. This is what early dev kits are. peice of hardware that is subject to change. Perhaps Nitendo were still optiminsg OS before testing out if their games could use the full 1gb.

As I said before if this is a reason why 3rd parties are dropping support then it is a bullshit reason. which can be addded to the many other BS reasons.

 



 

 

DanneSandin on 23 February 2013
DélioPT said:
DanneSandin said:
DélioPT said:
 


So the exclusive game Wii U lost was a surival horror game... and this the game that was coming from Japan?
So this has got nothing to do with the big PS4 exclusive that will redeem a whole company? Is this game coming from Japan or the west? Can you tell?
I do believe Nintendo gave them unfinished dev kits, but what i was saying is that everyone knew that. Actually they knew how much memory Wii U was going to have that`s why i don`t understand how a 3rd party got mad about it.

Even 3DS had that problem from what i remember but Nintendo opened the door for the dev (Capcom) to use more ram on 3DS.

The survival horror is made in Japan yes, as is the game that SOny will show that will redeem a company. LoL! Or possibly even ruin it further :P I guess that remains to be seen ^^

As I understand things Nintendo said to developers not to use about 270mb of the RAM because they were reserved for Nintendo only. Not that the dev kits were unfinished, but that that area was off limits for 3rd parties.


Ah, ok. I got it.
Just the weird part: Nintendo saying something like that or implying that is really weird. I could understand if they wanted to keep some power from being used as to let games evolve through the life cycle of the console, but that is really strange and even more strange that no developer ever mentioned sucg a thing.

I`m beggining to think Square Enix or Sega.

Don`t you think it`s a bit strange Nintendo denying one exclusive and one multiplat whn they are in the situation they are in?

Yes, I think it very strange that they would cancle 2 almost complete games, but that only goes to show that Nintendo do not know what they're doing right now. Just look at the whole Wii U; Nintendo don't have a clue. I see great potential, but Nintendo is not fulfilling that potential.



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DanneSandin on 23 February 2013
Cobretti2 said:
DanneSandin said:
coolguy said:
nintendo should let 3th party devs have all of 1 gig of ram

I know, they really should! Perhaps they have now, but that wasn't the case up until quite late...


big deal. This is what early dev kits are. peice of hardware that is subject to change. Perhaps Nitendo were still optiminsg OS before testing out if their games could use the full 1gb.

As I said before if this is a reason why 3rd parties are dropping support then it is a bullshit reason. which can be addded to the many other BS reasons.

 

Thing is though, that Nintendo developers (1st party studios) had full access to the whole 1gb RAM; they were just not permitting 3rd parties access to it - THAT'S what's fucked up. The were clearly restricting 3rd parties so that their own games could run better and look better.



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DanneSandin on 23 February 2013
curl-6 said:
DanneSandin said:
RolStoppable said:
DanneSandin said:

Nintendo gave 3rd party developers gimped dev kits?!

 

Has anyone really read what I'm saying???

Why should you be taken serious when you said that Nintendo cancelled third party games?

Well come e3 and you see what kind of MEGATONS I talked about I should be believed.


Let me take a stab in the dark; you're hinting at Bayonetta 2 going to PS3/360/720/PS4?

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=155705&page=1

That's the megatons I'm talking about



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DanneSandin on 23 February 2013
curl-6 said:
What's the logic in denying devs access to 1/4 of your system's available RAM? Or is it a case of laziness/incompetence rather than sabotage?

The reason as far as I understand it is to make Nintendo's own games look and run much better than 3rd parties. And tihs is apparently something they've done since the GC days, or even earlier.



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curl-6 on 23 February 2013
DanneSandin said:
curl-6 said:
DanneSandin said:
RolStoppable said:
DanneSandin said:

Nintendo gave 3rd party developers gimped dev kits?!

 

Has anyone really read what I'm saying???

Why should you be taken serious when you said that Nintendo cancelled third party games?

Well come e3 and you see what kind of MEGATONS I talked about I should be believed.


Let me take a stab in the dark; you're hinting at Bayonetta 2 going to PS3/360/720/PS4?

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=155705&page=1

That's the megatons I'm talking about

I meant your reference to the 3rd party exclusive they are losing.



DanneSandin on 23 February 2013
Deegan said:
DanneSandin said:

EDIT: I'm backing up ALL my claims (how Nintendo is treating 3rd parties shitty and the cancelled games) with that I know what will happen at e3 during Sonys presentation, but since I can't tell you what games will be announcened I will simply tell you that there will be megatons at this years e3. We will see and old friend return to playstation, we will get a remake that will blow people away and we will see a former exclusive xbox title cause meltdowns, AND PS4 will get a BIG online service that no one has seen coming. If at least half of these predictions come true it should prove that I know a thing or two of what is going on within the industry, and thus prove that I know what I'm alking about in the OP.


Wait wait... I can do it too! 

At E3, nintendo will announce major title for 3DS. They'll bring back their old IP to Wii U and people will get thrilled. And you will see Halo 5 exclusive for next Xbox. Sony will get new Uncharted from Naughty Dog. And Activision will release their megaton fps (sorry can't tell you the name) to all 3 platforms! 

If at least half of these predictions come true it should prove that I know a thing or two of what is going on within the industry, and thus prove that I know what I'm talking about in the OP. 

 

Seriously, this thread should be closed

I don't think we'll see a new Uncharted from Naughty Dog this e3... Just check out my predictions for PS4: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=155705&page=1 maybe will clarify things a bit.



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saicho on 23 February 2013
Roma said:
DanneSandin said:
Roma said:
Danne are you trolling us? If Nintendo said devs will have access to 1gb for games why should they get less?

I'm sad to tell you I'm not trolling =( this is all things I've heard from within the business. I don't know anything more than you do. I have no idea why Nintendo is doing this. My source says he thought it might be because Nintendo will bring out a NEW console rather soon (sooner than thought anyways), but that's all speculation

sorry man your friends friend doesn't sound reliable at all I mean there were a lot of people expecting Killzone 4 and PS4 being as powerful as the rumors say anyone could tell that it would look amazing

Nintendo never let power be the deciding factor into releasing a new console because others have much more power. releasing a new console will only damage Nintendos image

was this person Pachter btw?

That's who I have in mind cause it sounds like him... haha

OP: Nintendo cancelled two almost complete 3 rd party games yet no other source is reporting it? That makes even less sense than Nintendo cancelling 3rd party games.



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DanneSandin on 23 February 2013
Nem said:
DanneSandin said:

So, I have things to reveal, things I cannot prove but that comes from within the industry. That's why I knew KillZone 4 would be revealed during the PS4 event (even though I didn't say anything) and that's why I'm fairly certain PS4 will cost $349 at launch. I also know what games will be shown at e3 (MEGATON incoming!!! Fan boys of all sorts will cry tears of joy and tears of anger), so just take my word for what I'm writing now - and come e3 you will see what I mean by megaton, which should prove what I'm about to tell you about Nintendo and 3rd parties.

Wanna know the real reason why Nintendo is getting shitty 3rd party support? It's no conspiracy like some think. Nintendo has ever since the GameCube days (and perhaps even before that) given 3rd parties GIMPED dev kits. We all know Wii U has 2gb RAM, and 1gb of those are reserved for the OS - leaving 1gb for games. But only Nintendo has access to that FULL 1gb RAM; 3rd parties got gimped dev kits with about 730mb RAM to work with, with the explanation that the rest of the RAM were off limits.

What happened was early on a very large publisher got their hands on source code to a 1st party title accidentally (was meant to be sent a code segment on disk for assistance with a gpu addressing issue, but ended up with whole game source), and in the source for that, it became obvious that 3rd party dev kits lacked vital and very helpful api's for graphics rendering.

This thing also happened with the Wii. 3rd party developers wanted more access to the hardware to make games, but weren't allowed by Nintendo, and that's why Wii never saw much support except for shovelware.

And what's even more troubling is that I just heard that Nintendo has canceled 2 3rd party games to the Wii U; 1 being exclusive and 1 being a multiplat. And these games are well known, popular titles by a major publisher. The exclusive games will now probably be heading to the PS360.

But seriously, you all need to know this - especially the Nintendo fans. 3rd parties are skipping Nintendo's consoles because they are being treated as shit. Nintendo only has themselves to blame for this fuck up.

 

EDIT: I'm backing up ALL my claims (how Nintendo is treating 3rd parties shitty and the cancelled games) with that I know what will happen at e3 during Sonys presentation, but since I can't tell you what games will be announcened I will simply tell you that there will be megatons at this years e3. We will see and old friend return to playstation, we will get a remake that will blow people away and we will see a former exclusive xbox title cause meltdowns, AND PS4 will get a BIG online service that no one has seen coming. If at least half of these predictions come true it should prove that I know a thing or two of what is going on within the industry, and thus prove that I know what I'm alking about in the OP.


This whole conspiracy theory has a huge drawback. So, how exactly are Nintendo pushing 3rd parties away on the 3DS? Oh wait... they arent. Its just a conspiracy theory. Thanks for nothing.

Well, would you mind explaining how that other conspiracy theory works again? The one about 3rd parties not WANTING to develop for Nintendo consoles because they're biased? Just ask Rol about the details. I'm actually providing REAL reasons why they don't want to develop for Wii U.



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