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NightDragon83 said:

This is very true haha.  I think it's easier to find PC fans on here than M$ fans.


I know many MS fans in person, and honestly they tend to not be the kind of people that are very big on gaming.  The more casual MS fans usually do enjoy games like Mario and Zelda, but they usually go for the more generic and/or classic versions of the game.  The more hardcore MS fans tend to be all over Halo, a handful of multiplats, and have a higher tendency to enjoy PC games than other console fans.  Of course that's just from what I've seen, so I could be wrong about the majority of them.



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Well, I like Microsoft, but it's not like I am devoted to them or something.



Lets see if I can get some pattern recognition going.

When people got in early to say the 3DS was doomed, I said they were drawing conclusions too early.
When people got in early to say the PSV was doomed, I said they were drawing conclusions too early.
When people got in early to say the WiiU was doomed, I said they were drawing conclusions too early.

Does that make me a fanboy of both Sony and Nintendo, or just a logic fanboy?



If you like niche games vita is the best machine on the market. Dreamcast didn't last long either but its still better than most consoles.



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NightDragon83 said:
NintendoPie said:
NightDragon83 said:
You know whats funny... there never seems to be any doom and gloom talk about M$, and if there is it's only because of some overzealous fanboy writing a ridiculous article on some 3rd rate gaming blog.

It's always Nintendo is doomed this and Sony is doomed that.

There's no reason to doom something that's not here. We have no MS fans to be mean to!

This is very true haha.  I think it's easier to find PC fans on here than M$ fans.


That wasn't always the case but that's what happens when you bombard a fan base with bullshit for long enough.  Have you not read the articles of how Microsoft's next console is underpowered, casual centric and will not be able to play used games.  Now the Microsoft fans have pretty much abandoned the site it leaves the Nintendo and Sony fans to play together.



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slowmo said:
NightDragon83 said:
NintendoPie said:
NightDragon83 said:
You know whats funny... there never seems to be any doom and gloom talk about M$, and if there is it's only because of some overzealous fanboy writing a ridiculous article on some 3rd rate gaming blog.

It's always Nintendo is doomed this and Sony is doomed that.

There's no reason to doom something that's not here. We have no MS fans to be mean to!

This is very true haha.  I think it's easier to find PC fans on here than M$ fans.


That wasn't always the case but that's what happens when you bombard a fan base with bullshit for long enough.  Have you not read the articles of how Microsoft's next console is underpowered, casual centric and will not be able to play used games.  Now the Microsoft fans have pretty much abandoned the site it leaves the Nintendo and Sony fans to play together.

M$ fans abandoned this site long before the Durango/720 rumors started.  This site has been a Sony-Nintendo love fest for as long as I can remember.

One thing I'd like to point out though... the whole knock on M$ for supposedly catering to the casuals is hilarious, and is especially ironic considering the fact that behind the Wii, the most casual-centric console of all time is every Sony fan's holy grail, the PS2.  The same way you're likely to find a Wii with copies of Wii Play, Wii Fit, Mario Party, Carnival games, Just Dace etc at many "casual" households this gen, you probably found a PS2 buried under a stack of DVD movies and maybe a handful of actual games in those very same households during the previous gen.



On 2/24/13, MB1025 said:
You know I was always wondering why no one ever used the dollar sign for $ony, but then I realized they have no money so it would be pointless.

I must sadly concur with the original poster. When push comes to shove both groups reacted identically, and I really didn't think that would be the case. It isn't that I thought one was better then the other, but I most definitely thought that one would learn from the mistakes of the other. I am not saying they wouldn't make mistakes all their own, but just not the same ones all over again. Especially seeing that while the results are the same the root causes most certainly aren't the same. What ails the Vita is not the same thing that is ailing the Wii U.

The Vita was, and is overpriced for its particular market. That isn't actually the case with the Wii U. History has shown that this market can sustain consoles at that price. The Vita didn't enjoy particularly good software support. While the Wii U launched with thirty games. Which is actually quite impressive as console launches are concerned. Further more a number of those games are highly rated titles. A lot of ports certainly, but they were highly acclaimed games so it should still help the console.

The Wii U is probably suffering from poor design choices. While the Vita is suffering from poor placement. Those problems by their nature require entirely different solutions, and proactive arguments about these platforms turning themselves around should focus on what their respective companies can reasonably do to redress the core problems. They most certainly shouldn't revolve around arguments that history has taught us are just plain flawed.

For instance the single game theory. There is a bunch of hoopla that a particular game can suddenly reversed the fortunes for a platform, and people will usually point out that it was right at the beginning of a spike in sales. The problem is that the logic treats the situation like it took place in a vacuum. All a certain game can really do is nudge consumers off the fence. For that to happen they have to have been on the fence before that game arrived. Basically there were a lot of people that needed just one more little excuse to do what they intended to anyway.

The logic is not only bad, but in the case of both platforms it probably doesn't even remotely apply. If the problem calls for a sledge hammer a tap from a feather just will not do. Anymore then a logic that says a player can simply overkill the problem. Sony cannot afford to slash the price of their portable. Anymore then Nintendo can afford to money hat third parties into bringing butt loads of games to their platforms.

I suppose the funniest thing about these arguments is that most of them were proffered up by Microsoft fans in the first place. Not in regards to their console, but in regards to other platforms, but what has gotten lost was the context. A price cuts can be really possible at some times, and be fearfully effective at those times. A particular game that redresses a real vacancy in a consoles library can do the same thing. These ideas were right only in regards to a particular situation. They aren't any kind of a panacea.

A lot of the time a price cut isn't the right solution, and a particular game will have no discernible impact on long term sales. They aren't a fundamental truth, and they were never offered up as such. I suppose I am a little saddened that we are still where we were years ago. A lot of people so busy defending with bad logic. That they don't bother to really understand what is actually the problem.



Why I disagree with this thread.

1. The Vita is obviously failing and to say otherwise is foolish. People keep saying how it will sell well with no games in it's forecast.

The WiiU on the other hand does have games in it's forecast and is why people are saying to wait until they come out. The Vita may have something that we are unaware of but it has taken them far too long to show good support for the Vita.

2. All people that are biased ridicules the other consoles so this is nothing new between the Vita and WiiU. Look at every xbox thread for example. Some good comments and then somebody biased comes in and says xbox has no games and how halo sucks etc. This is vice versa with PS threads. The cycle never ends.

3. I almost guarantee that the Nexbox/PS4 will have doom threads as well. people will nitpick and as soon as they see one flaw bam here the doom comes.

4. You tried nailing it down to a few things but it really comes down to this. People who are biased will create doom threads and the apposing fans will defend making there own threads as well, and the cycle continues. It's simply childish from everybody.

The cycle for a new console

Hype/Doom/Hate/It was fine all along now let's defend.




       

JayWood2010 said:

Why I disagree with this thread.

1. The Vita is obviously failing and to say otherwise is foolish. People keep saying how it will sell well with no games in it's forecast.

The WiiU on the other hand does have games in it's forecast and is why people are saying to wait until they come out. The Vita may have something that we are unaware of but it has taken them far too long to show good support for the Vita.

2. All people that are biased ridicules the other consoles so this is nothing new between the Vita and WiiU. Look at every xbox thread for example. Some good comments and then somebody biased comes in and says xbox has no games and how halo sucks etc. This is vice versa with PS threads. The cycle never ends.

3. I almost guarantee that the Nexbox/PS4 will have doom threads as well. people will nitpick and as soon as they see one flaw bam here the doom comes.

4. You tried nailing it down to a few things but it really comes down to this. People who are biased will create doom threads and the apposing fans will defend making there own threads as well, and the cycle continues. It's simply childish from everybody.

The cycle for a new console

Hype/Doom/Hate/It was fine all along now let's defend.


1. I never said if someone was right or wrong. I said both fanbases are making similar arguments concerning the criticism of their console is fair. Are both right or are both wrong? Only time will decide. But that's not my point. I'm just pointing out the similarities.

As for everything else, it seems like you agree with me.



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