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Player1x3 said:
When he actually presents an argument, im going to respond with one. ''Being butthurt'' is not an argument, Aielyn (whatever the hell that means)

So call him out on the lack of an argument. Attack the absence of argument, not the person. You want his "lack of maturity" to stand out? Try responding in a highly mature manner, and let people see the difference.



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Aielyn said:
Player1x3 said:
When he actually presents an argument, im going to respond with one. ''Being butthurt'' is not an argument, Aielyn (whatever the hell that means)

So call him out on the lack of an argument. Attack the absence of argument, not the person. You want his "lack of maturity" to stand out? Try responding in a highly mature manner, and let people see the difference.


My way is more witty !



Aielyn said:
pezus said:
Yes. It's selling, what, 30-40k per week now so if we say three months are 13 weeks or so that would mean sales of ~450k. Let's give it a few boosts because of the games, lower it again because it's still dropping etc. and we arrive at about 500-600k.

Games sell consoles. The Wii U has one game that you can't get anywhere else that is targetted at the core gamer (the type of gamer that buys consoles early) - ZombiU. Another two are expected within the next couple of months, along with two other games that are almost certain to drive demand. And there's probably more that haven't been announced yet (because Nintendo haven't done their third-party Direct, yet).

Now, let's address your mathematics. The Wii U sold 39k last week, and that's the worst it has gotten to - saying "30-40k" and then using 35k from that range, and then saying "but it's still dropping" AFTER that, is just disingenuous. Immediately, that increases the numbers by 50k, when you correct for that. And then there's the fact that there's 14-15 more weeks to the end of April, not 13 - that gives another 40-80k, bringing the number prior to accounting for effects of games up to 540-580k. But more than that, there hasn't been a single notable Wii U release since launch. That won't be true going forwards, and one of the biggest gripes people have had about the Wii U so far is not knowing what else is coming to the system - that's another thing that is starting to be addressed, with interest in the Wii U noticeably higher now online than it was two weeks ago.

It's just naive to think that it's going to stay this low for another three months, especially considering that sales usually increase between January and March.

But hey, let's ignore that side for a moment, and turn our attention to the other angle. "Wii U is doing badly", right? What are the other systems doing compared with last year? January 21, 2011: PS3 195k, 360 186k, Wii 122k, 3DS 195k, Vita 16k. January 19, 2012: PS3 113k, 360 85k, Wii 32k, 3DS 176k, Vita 28k. The only one with higher numbers is Vita, and it's selling more poorly than the Wii U. The game market is weak at the moment. Is it going to stay that way? Probably not. And why would the Wii U be affected any differently from the rest, in this regard? Especially when it's still lacking in major system-sellers (NSMB U isn't enough on its own, and the only other system-sellers are Nintendo Land and ZombiU - one game appeals to retro fans, the other is a new and untested IP). What happens when Monster Hunter, Dragon Quest, etc, arrive on the system?

So you think it won't keep dropping?

Regarding the number of weeks, you only mentioned Feb, March and April so the 13 weeks are for that. Very well, let's add one or two weeks.

Sales don't usually increase between January and March

Monster Hunter is already out in the most important MH region (Japan). Dragon Quest is a Wii port etc. So it's not much different from the ports/games already out. PS3/360 are dropping because they're old, not because of the market. 



JazzB1987 said:
May I remind you what happened with the PS2? Not sony made the games at the consoles end of life but SquareEnix etc did. So Nintendo as a game developer isnt treating the Wii different that Sony treated the PS2.

Nintendo is the main developer for its own systems and since they had a 3ds coming and a new console the Wii just lacked Nintendo support and without third parties giving a F*ck it had no games. Thats basic logic.

The 3ds is doing great. And the WiiU is out for 1 month in europe LOL. Sure its really stupid that from launch untill e3 there is like no big game (since Nintendo announced Mario MarioKart Smash Zelda etc. will be shown at e3 so not even one of those games will come out prior to e3)


Sure there is Pikmin 3 and game and wario but i dont care about those games. The WiiU had a rushed holiday season release without enough good games to play but its still in its launch year. (remember ps3?)

Huh, then what do you call God of War 1+2? An entirely new IP that turned out to be very popular



UncleScrooge said:

I'm a Nintendo fan but I bash criticize every console that sells poorly. When the 3DS was unveiled I said it wouldn't sell and criticized for their mistakes. When the Vita sold horrible I pointed out how bad sales were, put them into perspective and called those out who said sales were alright. I'm doing the same now with the Wii U.

From my experience fans of any console will always defend it no matter how horribly it sells. People saying the Vita (and to some extend the Wii U) just need more time are just kidding themselves - both consoles are selling below Gamecube level. There's only so much a price cut can do (you can actually roughly calculate the effect of a price cut --> sales elasticity) and it's really hard to dig yourself out of a sales hole.

Edit: I used the word "bashing" wrong lol

If you honestly think Wii U's sales won't increase dramatically with arrival of software like Smash Bros and Mario Kart, then I think you severely underestimate the power of those IPs. Sales will pick up once the software arrives.



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Player1x3 said:
TakeMeToTheHospital said:
Player1x3 said:
TakeMeToTheHospital said:
Player1x3 said:
TakeMeToTheHospital said:

The Wii is one of the best selling consoles of all time.  It only sold better than 1 PS console

The 3DS is selling better than the DS up to this point in it's life and the DS is the best selling console of all time.  Wrong. PS2 is still the king

The Wii U is selling better than the PS3 and 360 so far. Not if you include PS3's european launch

What are you talking about? The WiiU is doing very poorly 

 

Also the Wii U will do awesome once the games come rolling out. I'm a grade 3/4 primary school teacher and almost everyone of my students wants a Wii U. 




1) I said ONE of the best selling consoles of all time. Isn't it the 4th best selling console of all time?  i know you did. it still sold better than only 1 ps console 

2) You serious? the numbers are so close the DS is practically the best selling console if not already. You must have known what i meant?   ugh, what? PS2 is still ahead, the DS isn't best selling until it passes ps2, regardless of how close they are. that's like saying ps3 is already ahead of 360

The Wii U is not doing "very poorly" at all. It's not doing nearly as good as the Wii or as good as Nintendo had hoped but it's doing far from "very poorly". It's doing pretty damn good considering it only has like 3 games. It had a 2D, first time HD mario game on launch, which is the biggest franchise in gaming history and nintendo's strongest asset. Plus, only the PS2 had more games at launch than WiiU



you sound a little butt hurt that Nintendo is going to have the best selling console of all time in the next couple of months.

 

Also the Wii U launched with about only 3-4 next gen games. It's doing pretty damn good I say


That's a pretty mature response from a primary school teacher 

yeh thought so. Imposible to talk with a blind fanboy



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TakeMeToTheHospital said:
Player1x3 said:
TakeMeToTheHospital said:


That's a pretty mature response from a primary school teacher 

yeh thought so. Imposible to talk with a blind fanboy


This just keeps getting better and better ;D



both PS4 and 720 are doomed since they haven't sold as much as the WiiU yet not even one console sold each so how can you ask us this question? WiiU is destroying le competicione!



    R.I.P Mr Iwata :'(


Now, since people seem to be forgetting something, I'm going to bring it back to the foreground, again.

The Wii U is showing a lot of similarity to another console. This console launched first in its generation, it had a reasonable holiday, but sold just 1.6 million units to the 21st of January, after having launched in November. At that point in time, the system had sold 3.4 million units of software (the Wii U is at 5 million units of software). Many of the launch titles of this system were ports of games from the previous generation, and in its first full year, it sold a little over 5 million units.

Almost exactly a year after launch, this system got a major game release. Sales increased markedly at this point, and more games began to come out, many being games shared with the other consoles of its generation, which had just released. And while one of those other two systems would go on to break records, this system would manage to stay ahead of the third system for the rest of its generation, despite that other system having brand recognition from the previous generation.

The system was the Xbox 360. It is currently approaching 74 million units sold.

Why am I drawing this connection? For one thing, when the Wii burst out of the gate so strongly, and the PS3 had stronger launch sales than the 360, people started to predict the failure of the 360, too. The popular view was that the PS3 was going to bring in all of the people who bought a PS2, while the Wii was going to be a hit with "teh cazualz", leaving the 360 with scraps. People mocked the fact that the 360 only managed 5 million sales in its first year.

And the message is that you shouldn't be counting any of them out. Not the Wii U, not the Vita. The 3DS has already shown why counting a system out based on early sales is a bad idea. So, too, has the 360.

Stop predicting doom. For ANY of the consoles currently on the market. It's childish, and it's almost certainly wrong. I will admit that, 6 years ago, I had a different mindset with regards to the Wii vs the other consoles. And I freely admit, I was wrong.

It's time for gamers to grow up. This stupid "console war" mentality is getting in the way of a pastime that is supposed to be about fun. If you're a "Nintendo gamer", get positive about the Wii U and the 3DS, but don't get negative about the other systems. If you're a "Sony gamer", root for the Vita to grow and sell much better in the next few months, and hope for a great PS4 that makes a strong profit for Sony from launch while providing games that you couldn't have seen on the PS3... but also hope for the Wii U to see better success, simply because it'll mean more games for more systems, and a greater variety of systems to choose from. And if you're a "Microsoft gamer", by all means, put all your feeling into the desire to see the next MS console break records while bringing you incredible games including some great exclusives. But don't get all nasty about Vita's performance, or predict the Wii U's quick demise.

This new generation has the potential to be the first one in which all three systems bring something distinctly different to the table. Microsoft is certainly pushing Kinect, and it's likely to be a significant part of their new console. Sony appear to be focusing more on traditional gameplay, with some Move worked in, while Nintendo is diversifying with their Upad. Let's celebrate the differences, and hope for all three to find great success, rather than seeking to knock each other down.



spurgeonryan said:

When the Wii U is in the state it is in. The 3DS is just finally fully recovering from a disasterous blanch, and the Wii went out with a whimper.

 

Does it make them feel better?


Not only Nintendo fans, that tactic also works with the PS Vita.