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Jumpin said:
prayformojo said:

1.) Release a console (Wii) that caters almost exclusively to casual, non gamers.
2.) Spend the following years, using E3 as a show case for all things NON gamer related (Wii Fit, Wii Sports Resort debacle etc.).
3.) Completely disregard the obvious, which is that non gamers are fickle and will leave almost as soon as they show up.
4.) Release a successor that features a controller that neither the casual, NOR core gamer wants, with low specs, archaic capabilities and features.
5.) Stand back in shock as the obvious happens.

I have been saying this for YEARS. They sold their soul to casual, fickle consumers and put all their eggs in a collapsing basket. Now half of the core players from the Gamecube era have jumped shit, and the casuals all have ipads. This should shock NO ONE.

Having said that, I don't wish anything bad upon them. After all, I am the NES generation. But it's their own fault.

Which imaginary GameCube era are you talking about? 

The one I remember is one where PS2 thoroughly dominated the gaming scene and 99% of GameCube owners only had one because their mom bought it for them.

yet the gamecube is outselling the WiiU by a huge margin in the us at this point almost 2-1 and the worst part, it LOOKED like a purple launch box, which really hurt it in sales.



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ninjablade said:
Jumpin said:
prayformojo said:

1.) Release a console (Wii) that caters almost exclusively to casual, non gamers.
2.) Spend the following years, using E3 as a show case for all things NON gamer related (Wii Fit, Wii Sports Resort debacle etc.).
3.) Completely disregard the obvious, which is that non gamers are fickle and will leave almost as soon as they show up.
4.) Release a successor that features a controller that neither the casual, NOR core gamer wants, with low specs, archaic capabilities and features.
5.) Stand back in shock as the obvious happens.

I have been saying this for YEARS. They sold their soul to casual, fickle consumers and put all their eggs in a collapsing basket. Now half of the core players from the Gamecube era have jumped shit, and the casuals all have ipads. This should shock NO ONE.

Having said that, I don't wish anything bad upon them. After all, I am the NES generation. But it's their own fault.

Which imaginary GameCube era are you talking about? 

The one I remember is one where PS2 thoroughly dominated the gaming scene and 99% of GameCube owners only had one because their mom bought it for them.

yet the gamecube is outselling the WiiU by a huge margin in the us at this point almost 2-1 and the worst part, it LOOKED like a purple launch box, which really hurt it in sales.

And the 3DS dipped to wounderswan levels but it managed to turn that around.

It has only been THREE months since the Wii U launched, give it a year and if it still continues to sell at the rate is selling then you can go off and say Nintendo is doomed.



AgentZorn said:
ninjablade said:
Jumpin said:
prayformojo said:

1.) Release a console (Wii) that caters almost exclusively to casual, non gamers.
2.) Spend the following years, using E3 as a show case for all things NON gamer related (Wii Fit, Wii Sports Resort debacle etc.).
3.) Completely disregard the obvious, which is that non gamers are fickle and will leave almost as soon as they show up.
4.) Release a successor that features a controller that neither the casual, NOR core gamer wants, with low specs, archaic capabilities and features.
5.) Stand back in shock as the obvious happens.

I have been saying this for YEARS. They sold their soul to casual, fickle consumers and put all their eggs in a collapsing basket. Now half of the core players from the Gamecube era have jumped shit, and the casuals all have ipads. This should shock NO ONE.

Having said that, I don't wish anything bad upon them. After all, I am the NES generation. But it's their own fault.

Which imaginary GameCube era are you talking about? 

The one I remember is one where PS2 thoroughly dominated the gaming scene and 99% of GameCube owners only had one because their mom bought it for them.

yet the gamecube is outselling the WiiU by a huge margin in the us at this point almost 2-1 and the worst part, it LOOKED like a purple launch box, which really hurt it in sales.

And the 3DS dipped to wounderswan levels but it managed to turn that around.

It has only been THREE months since the Wii U launched, give it a year and if it still continues to sell at the rate is selling then you can go off and say Nintendo is doomed.

I don't get the 3ds comparson, the 3ds is only competing with itself, it has all the thridparty support and is the biggest brand in portable gaming, your comparing apple and oranges.



And PSP is selling more than Vita, we should talk about that too.



RolStoppable said:
trestres said:

(...)

I admit I'm very tired and assume that my post is flawed at various stances, so please correct me, as I'm well open for a nice discussion because I'm embracing this topic with passion. I love Nintendo, but I dislike their current ways and approaches.

(...)

The main flaw is to look at the market in a casual vs. core context which Nintendo is guilty of too. That's why the Wii U is a console that has no meaningful message, because it tries to address problems that don't really exist.

You wrote a lot, but it's a shallow analysis because it comes down to: "Nintendo betrayed the glorious core, now they are paying for it."

not really nintendo did everything to abandone the core gamer with the wii, the games, the specs, the non existen third party support and the none existen online support and what you expect gamers to come running back, just put it this way the sega genesis would have killed the super nes if the graphics looked like nes games, and i'm just using one example.



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ninjablade said:
AgentZorn said:
ninjablade said:
Jumpin said:
prayformojo said:

1.) Release a console (Wii) that caters almost exclusively to casual, non gamers.
2.) Spend the following years, using E3 as a show case for all things NON gamer related (Wii Fit, Wii Sports Resort debacle etc.).
3.) Completely disregard the obvious, which is that non gamers are fickle and will leave almost as soon as they show up.
4.) Release a successor that features a controller that neither the casual, NOR core gamer wants, with low specs, archaic capabilities and features.
5.) Stand back in shock as the obvious happens.

I have been saying this for YEARS. They sold their soul to casual, fickle consumers and put all their eggs in a collapsing basket. Now half of the core players from the Gamecube era have jumped shit, and the casuals all have ipads. This should shock NO ONE.

Having said that, I don't wish anything bad upon them. After all, I am the NES generation. But it's their own fault.

Which imaginary GameCube era are you talking about? 

The one I remember is one where PS2 thoroughly dominated the gaming scene and 99% of GameCube owners only had one because their mom bought it for them.

yet the gamecube is outselling the WiiU by a huge margin in the us at this point almost 2-1 and the worst part, it LOOKED like a purple launch box, which really hurt it in sales.

And the 3DS dipped to wounderswan levels but it managed to turn that around.

It has only been THREE months since the Wii U launched, give it a year and if it still continues to sell at the rate is selling then you can go off and say Nintendo is doomed.

I don't get the 3ds comparson, the 3ds is only competing with itself, it has all the thridparty support and is the biggest brand in portable gaming, your comparing apple and oranges.



All he is trying to say is that the 3DS was selling awful at first, but it managed to revive and look where its at now.

RolStoppable said:
trestres said:

(...)

I admit I'm very tired and assume that my post is flawed at various stances, so please correct me, as I'm well open for a nice discussion because I'm embracing this topic with passion. I love Nintendo, but I dislike their current ways and approaches.

(...)

The main flaw is to look at the market in a casual vs. core context which Nintendo is guilty of too. That's why the Wii U is a console that has no meaningful message, because it tries to address problems that don't really exist.

You wrote a lot, but it's a shallow analysis because it comes down to: "Nintendo betrayed the glorious core, now they are paying for it."

Not really saying that it's due to Nintendo shifting away from the core, because I did point out the many flaws that are ongoing. I'm saying that Nintendo lost a fragile audience, which is the casual player. There's no doubt that there's 2 different kind of gamers, even Iwata using the word core, as he knows that the difference exists, as most people do. Nintendo has indeed lost touch with them and there's no more Nintendo in the headlines anymore, as their new product isn't provoking any curiosity among people, it's just more of the same in the eyes of the common consumer.

It's not a shallow analysis by any means, you should try to read it again without the bias you have against me, I know you do :) and rightfully so. I may sound a bit harsh on Nintendo, but they are in a bad position right now aren't they? And what problems do you say Nintendo is trying to adress that don't really exist?

I've seen a lot of Nintendo supporters changing their opinions about Nintendo and their strategy as of late 2010, and though I'm sure I overcriticized Nintendo before then, time proved me right on many of my concerns.



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trestres said:
RolStoppable said:
trestres said:

(...)

I admit I'm very tired and assume that my post is flawed at various stances, so please correct me, as I'm well open for a nice discussion because I'm embracing this topic with passion. I love Nintendo, but I dislike their current ways and approaches.

(...)

The main flaw is to look at the market in a casual vs. core context which Nintendo is guilty of too. That's why the Wii U is a console that has no meaningful message, because it tries to address problems that don't really exist.

You wrote a lot, but it's a shallow analysis because it comes down to: "Nintendo betrayed the glorious core, now they are paying for it."

Not really saying that it's due to Nintendo shifting away from the core, because I did point out the many flaws that are ongoing. I'm saying that Nintendo lost a fragile audience, which is the casual player. There's no doubt that there's 2 different kind of gamers, even Iwata using the word core, as he knows that the difference exists, as most people do. Nintendo has indeed lost touch with them and there's no more Nintendo in the headlines anymore, as their new product isn't provoking any curiosity among people, it's just more of the same in the eyes of the common consumer.

It's not a shallow analysis by any means, you should try to read it again without the bias you have against me, I know you do :) and rightfully so. I may sound a bit harsh on Nintendo, but they are in a bad position right now aren't they? And what problems do you say Nintendo is trying to adress that don't really exist?

I've seen a lot of Nintendo supporters changing their opinions about Nintendo and their strategy as of late 2010, and though I'm sure I overcriticized Nintendo before then, time proved me right on many of my concerns.

your on point, i know many family and friends who bought wii and kinect, and i know for a fact that there not gamers, they saw a product that was really cool and could help them get fit, and they  bought it, when i ask gamers about the wii, they just laugh, when i ask them about the ps3, they say the controller is garbage, at least they have respect for the ps3, lol.



RolStoppable said:
ninjablade said:
RolStoppable said:

You wrote a lot, but it's a shallow analysis because it comes down to: "Nintendo betrayed the glorious core, now they are paying for it."

not really nintendo did everything to abandone the core gamer with the wii, the games, the specs, the non existen third party support and the none existen online support and what you expect gamers to come running back, just put it this way the sega genesis would have killed the super nes if the graphics looked like nes games.

You are the guy who just said that the 3DS has all the third party support. As such you have made it pretty clear that you are quite clueless about the things that are going on in the video game industry and that's a conclusion I can form without even reading your other posts in this thread. My bet is that they will confirm this initial impression, because the post I quoted here falls into the same category.

In order to discuss any subject properly it is required that people either know what they are talking about or are willing to learn. Please don't quote my posts until you fulfill either requirement.


yea compared to its competion, it does have the best third party support. your saying vita  has better third party support then the 3ds



RolStoppable said:
trestres said:

Not really saying that it's due to Nintendo shifting away from the core, because I did point out the many flaws that are ongoing. I'm saying that Nintendo lost a fragile audience, which is the casual player. There's no doubt that there's 2 different kind of gamers, even Iwata using the word core, as he knows that the difference exists, as most people do. Nintendo has indeed lost touch with them and there's no more Nintendo in the headlines anymore, as their new product isn't provoking any curiosity among people, it's just more of the same in the eyes of the common consumer.

It's not a shallow analysis by any means, you should try to read it again without the bias you have against me, I know you do :) and rightfully so. I may sound a bit harsh on Nintendo, but they are in a bad position right now aren't they? And what problems do you say Nintendo is trying to adress that don't really exist?

I've seen a lot of Nintendo supporters changing their opinions about Nintendo and their strategy as of late 2010, and though I'm sure I overcriticized Nintendo before then, time proved me right on many of my concerns.

If there are two different kinds of gamers, which category would you say I belong to?

One suppposed major problem that Nintendo tried to address was the lack of big name third party games on the Wii. The sales of the launch batch of Wii U games makes it already clear that this wasn't too much of a problem on the Wii. At least not a big enough problem to abandon the Wii and start over with a new console. There was no need for a new console when it comes to Nintendo games. Pretty much everything they are going to do on the Wii U could have been done on the Wii. The main controller of the console was changed to appease third parties, not to continue what was started with the Wii. In short, much of the Wii U's design doesn't fall in line with what consumers wanted.

You kept criticizing Nintendo for abandoning core gamers and predicted their sales will suffer in the future. You were only right about the sales, but not the reasons.


your right they should have stuck with the wii becuase, they still would have got games like blops 2, AC3 and batman, i'm sure devs would like to make a version for the wii, which looks like crap and runs at 5fps, great post. LOL



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