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MARCUSDJACKSON said:
OceanJ said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
OceanJ said:

A doom thread is the intellectual equivalent of a "everything's rosy" thread.

The video-game industry and all of its companies is a living thing, dynamic, ever-changing.

Lots of companies die.

It's always legitimate to voice concern over seemingly bad information or facts.  It also keeps gaming companies on their toes to hear the critics, and probably helps them improve now and then.

Doom is good.

there are no facts to prove Wiiu or 3ds are doomed so there's is no need for concern. WiiU is performing better then PS3 in thier first yr. in just 2 months. not sure about 360.

I was just defending doom in general.

But, 3DS sales are down huge YoY in Nintendo's two key markets: the U.S. and Europe.  Yes, it's true.

Even though it was available for purchase for 12 months in 2012 vs 9 months in 2011 in the U.S. & Europe, the 3DS sold 600,000 fewer units in the U.S., and 3,000 fewer units in Europe.

Globally the weekly average sales for 3DS YoY are down from 300k + in 2011, to around 260k for calendar year 2012.

To compare, the DS in its second year for sale, increased dramatically in all regions - it trended up big-time.  The one and only reason 3DS is still technically outpacing DS over the first 100 weeks or so of their respective launches, is that its immediate launch sale figures stood on the shoulders of the DS's success and the hype of 3D...

But, the 3DS decline in the U.S. and in Europe from 2011 to 2012 is dramatic.  Nintendo projected 17.5 million 3DS sales from April 1 - March 31st, they currently stand below 11 million (remember - starting from April 1 2012).  They will drastically miss their goal.  This is because they factored in growth for the U.S. and Europe, and they are now shocked to see that the 3DS is already in major decline in those regions.

the right games have yet to be released for the 3ds.

even so, you don't have to use the word doom, because what you're talking about is a decline in sales, and that should be the thread topic, and it gives the thread the wrong vibe when you use the term doom define declining sales.

Sure i can see that. I dont think Nintendo is doomed.  The bottom line is that they have Billions in cash in the bank with zero debt.  If they stopped selling every product today they can survive for many years just doing nothing if they want.  Nintendo is a survivor, and they will continue to be a survivor.

I happen to want to see them thrive and dominate.  Nintendo is the greatest video game company of all time - it still doesn't change the fact their stock's in the crapper right now.

I want to see it take off.



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OceanJ said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
OceanJ said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
OceanJ said:

A doom thread is the intellectual equivalent of a "everything's rosy" thread.

The video-game industry and all of its companies is a living thing, dynamic, ever-changing.

Lots of companies die.

It's always legitimate to voice concern over seemingly bad information or facts.  It also keeps gaming companies on their toes to hear the critics, and probably helps them improve now and then.

Doom is good.

there are no facts to prove Wiiu or 3ds are doomed so there's is no need for concern. WiiU is performing better then PS3 in thier first yr. in just 2 months. not sure about 360.

I was just defending doom in general.

But, 3DS sales are down huge YoY in Nintendo's two key markets: the U.S. and Europe.  Yes, it's true.

Even though it was available for purchase for 12 months in 2012 vs 9 months in 2011 in the U.S. & Europe, the 3DS sold 600,000 fewer units in the U.S., and 3,000 fewer units in Europe.

Globally the weekly average sales for 3DS YoY are down from 300k + in 2011, to around 260k for calendar year 2012.

To compare, the DS in its second year for sale, increased dramatically in all regions - it trended up big-time.  The one and only reason 3DS is still technically outpacing DS over the first 100 weeks or so of their respective launches, is that its immediate launch sale figures stood on the shoulders of the DS's success and the hype of 3D...

But, the 3DS decline in the U.S. and in Europe from 2011 to 2012 is dramatic.  Nintendo projected 17.5 million 3DS sales from April 1 - March 31st, they currently stand below 11 million (remember - starting from April 1 2012).  They will drastically miss their goal.  This is because they factored in growth for the U.S. and Europe, and they are now shocked to see that the 3DS is already in major decline in those regions.

the right games have yet to be released for the 3ds.

even so, you don't have to use the word doom, because what you're talking about is a decline in sales, and that should be the thread topic, and it gives the thread the wrong vibe when you use the term doom define declining sales.

Sure i can see that. I dont think Nintendo is doomed.  The bottom line is that they have Billions in cash in the bank with zero debt.  If they stopped selling every product today they can survive for many years just doing nothing if they want.  Nintendo is a survivor, and they will continue to be a survivor.

I happen to want to see them thrive and dominate.  Nintendo is the greatest video game company of all time - it still doesn't change the fact their stock's in the crapper right now.

I want to see it take off.


best video games company of all times? as a ninty fan i can't agree with that. as Sony fan it can't say that about them either.

they've yet to do everything to be considered best of all time. 

ninty are survivers as they've won 4 console gen's, and even while selling GC at a $1 loss they still made profit.

well i can tell you ninty will not dominate the 8th gen., in fact, niether of the big 3 will, but someone will win.



MARCUSDJACKSON said:
OceanJ said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
OceanJ said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
OceanJ said:

A doom thread is the intellectual equivalent of a "everything's rosy" thread.

The video-game industry and all of its companies is a living thing, dynamic, ever-changing.

Lots of companies die.

It's always legitimate to voice concern over seemingly bad information or facts.  It also keeps gaming companies on their toes to hear the critics, and probably helps them improve now and then.

Doom is good.

there are no facts to prove Wiiu or 3ds are doomed so there's is no need for concern. WiiU is performing better then PS3 in thier first yr. in just 2 months. not sure about 360.

I was just defending doom in general.

But, 3DS sales are down huge YoY in Nintendo's two key markets: the U.S. and Europe.  Yes, it's true.

Even though it was available for purchase for 12 months in 2012 vs 9 months in 2011 in the U.S. & Europe, the 3DS sold 600,000 fewer units in the U.S., and 3,000 fewer units in Europe.

Globally the weekly average sales for 3DS YoY are down from 300k + in 2011, to around 260k for calendar year 2012.

To compare, the DS in its second year for sale, increased dramatically in all regions - it trended up big-time.  The one and only reason 3DS is still technically outpacing DS over the first 100 weeks or so of their respective launches, is that its immediate launch sale figures stood on the shoulders of the DS's success and the hype of 3D...

But, the 3DS decline in the U.S. and in Europe from 2011 to 2012 is dramatic.  Nintendo projected 17.5 million 3DS sales from April 1 - March 31st, they currently stand below 11 million (remember - starting from April 1 2012).  They will drastically miss their goal.  This is because they factored in growth for the U.S. and Europe, and they are now shocked to see that the 3DS is already in major decline in those regions.

the right games have yet to be released for the 3ds.

even so, you don't have to use the word doom, because what you're talking about is a decline in sales, and that should be the thread topic, and it gives the thread the wrong vibe when you use the term doom define declining sales.

Sure i can see that. I dont think Nintendo is doomed.  The bottom line is that they have Billions in cash in the bank with zero debt.  If they stopped selling every product today they can survive for many years just doing nothing if they want.  Nintendo is a survivor, and they will continue to be a survivor.

I happen to want to see them thrive and dominate.  Nintendo is the greatest video game company of all time - it still doesn't change the fact their stock's in the crapper right now.

I want to see it take off.


best video games company of all times? as a ninty fan i can't agree with that. as Sony fan it can't say that about them either.

they've yet to do everything to be considered best of all time. 

ninty are survivers as they've won 4 console gen's, and even while selling GC at a $1 loss they still made profit.

well i can tell you ninty will not dominate the 8th gen., in fact, niether of the big 3 will, but someone will win.

I look at Nintendo's entire history when I say I think they're the greatest gaming company ever.

Nintendo saved the video-game industry in the 80's when Atari died and the Arcade business crashed.  When you look back and really count up the innovations they've given to the gaming world throughout the last 35 years with all of their machines and franchises, it's hard to see another company matching their legacy.

No other gaming company comes close when it comes to the legacy, the contributions, the total astounding achievements - as Nintendo.

If you grew up with Nintendo in the 80's and have watched their story from then on, you'd probably give it up to them.  If you came into gaming just in the last 10-15 years, you'll probably think it's debatable.



OceanJ said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:

Nintendo saved the video-game industry in the 80's when Atari died and the Arcade business crashed.  When you look back and really count up the innovations they've given to the gaming world throughout the last 35 years with all of their machines and franchises, it's hard to see another company matching their legacy.

No other gaming company comes close when it comes to the legacy, the contributions, the total astounding achievements - as Nintendo.

If you grew up with Nintendo in the 80's and have watched their story from then on, you'd probably give it up to them.  If you came into gaming just in the last 10-15 years, you'll probably think it's debatable.

i'm an 80's baby, and according to wikki i was 2 when ninty saved the industry in 1986. yep 26 yr's of ninty.

yep i have fond memories of not beating supermario bro's on the NES.

i see we have some fundamental differences on ninty and greatest games company ever. you'll have to forgive me for waiting for something bigger. i'm not easily impressed.

sadly thier innovations stopped after the N64.

 



Basically there are only two developers worth mentioning today - Nintendo and Blizzard (it was largely due to Blizzard why Vivendi was able to buy Activision). Which is really sad, as 20-30 years ago, basically all of the todays big guys were releasing good or great games on a constant basis, opposed to today when virtually all studios are one-hit wonders, that release the standard 700 sequels up until people get bored.

It was the late 80's, when Sega was targeting the kids who grew up with NES, marketing their Megadrive as a "cool" and "more mature" console, that Sony continued with the Playstation line. Wii and DS were supposed to "change the face of gaming", in this context change the perception of gaming being for kids and adults who never grew up, targeting the the people who already grew out of Playstation. One you grow up, you think the "M", mature content, in a gamebox should be changed to "I", immature content.

One might ask, why cartoony games like Bejeweled and Angry Birds, that were made more with the mentality of "one guy, one night, one garage" are seen more mature than your typical 2 or 3-year production "hardcore game", that cost tens of millions to make, where blood is spilling everywhere, by people in their 30's and above, who were playing games all day and night when the "hardcore gamers" you see in the internet were still wearing diapers, or even before it.

How about the whining about used game sales. The industry is targeting the teenager who doesn't spend his own money into games, which means the barrier of purchase is low (the reason why everybody targets this group, as it's easy to sell). When the isn't as good as the teenager thought it would be, he sells the game used and buys another he might like, paying just a half of a new game with his own money.
If the sale of used games would be prevented, the industry would take a huge hit in terms of games sold and the revenue would go down (after the initial spike), as the teenagers would spend less their own money into games.

And what does this have to do with the doom-threads? Well, the threads made as "this is doomed, while others are not", is either stupidity or you're just fooling yourself; everyone is doomed. If the success of Wii and DS, and all the red ink spilled in the last decade didn't teach them anything, they deserve to be doomed.



Ei Kiinasti.

Eikä Japanisti.

Vaan pannaan jalalla koreasti.

 

Nintendo games sell only on Nintendo system.

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