Fine. Should've known the stuff left-wingers float around on facebook is just as ill-informed as the crap right-wingers float around.

The fact remains that this "fact sheet" is just as distorting as what i posted, however.

This is exactly my thought.

Well the fact sheet has sources and logic behind it. Where what you posted had none of that.

It's the curse of liberalism, i'm afraid. I believe that humanity can better itself from the caveman mentality that everyone from outside my cave is out to beat and kill the people in my cave.

oh so you read it?

stop making things up. it adresses the complaints of statist/progressives/liberals. it doesnt have to distort facts and lie like the brady campaign and Mother jones do.

The problem is... a gun ban is not bettering ones self.

In fact, a gun ban if anything prevents people from bettering themselves long term.

In general, the longest and defining changes in culture are done from the people leading the rules, and thereby making such rules meaningless.

When rules lead people, more often then not you see a great rebellion against the rules and progress towards a better society actually styimed for temporary short term gain... or perceived short term gain anyway.

See for example Prohibition.   We were leading into a natural "less booze" society, but then government jumped ahead of the curve with prohibition and it led to booze becoming harder ingrained into public consiousness.   Without Prohibition i'd suggest that you'd find we'd actually have much less problem drinkers today.

I'm terribly sorry, but I laughed too hard at the garbage spewed in there. The Japanese Myth in particular almost made me fall out of my seat. IF YOU TAKE AWAY GUNS AMERICA STILL HAS 3 TIMES THE MURDER RATE (truly something to brag about) BUT LOOK AT JAPANS SUICIDE RATES. Sorry but this is non sequitur garbage and propaganda.

Though I am inclined with those that believe that America should not instil stricter gun laws, I just felt like pointing out that this document is bad and it should feel bad.

Pokoko already pointed out one of the piss-weak arguments in it, where it tries to "debunk" how Japan has a rock-bottom gun ownership rate and rock-bottom violent crime rate, by somehow equating suicide with murder

Other problems

The graph on page 6 generally shows a positive correlation between lower gun ownership rates and lower crime rates. America has the higest violent crime rate and highest gun ownership rate, and the only outlier here, for whatever reason, is Scotland. Everything else mirrors

They state that Switzerland has the same per-capita violent crime rate as England, and this is supposed to be a positive point in favor of Switzerland's high gun ownership rate (especially when gun nuts love to point at England and show how poor and helpless all those people are).

3: Correlation is not causation. They point to the year of the UK gun ban, but fail to address the possible effect of the recent immigration spike.

At best, all it does is prove that there isn't a positive correlation between violent crime and gun ownership

Also, honestly, though I don't think EITHER is the case. You would have more of a factual basis to blame mass shootings on video games then you would guns. (Though it makes me sad to say this, liking video games far more.)

Since, someone basically just needs to look into the motives of a mass shooting vs say, a regular murder.

Like say in this case, they say they suspect the reason he shot up the school was that he was afraid his mom was going to commit him and leave him alone.  So he shot his dad, stole their guns then shot his mom..... and 20 kids and some teachers.

The question is... why the 20 kids and some teachers?  He got back at the parents... why the other people as well?

I think the whole point of that was just to show removing guns we would still have a high murder rate. In fact most of the gun murders would be replace with another weapon of choice. If someone wants to kill someone they are going to do it. If someone want to commit suicide they are going to do. Gun or not.