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Should Pachter Quotes Be Prohibited?

Yes, because I value my sanity 123 68.72%
 
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Don't ban him, he is awesome. You are just jealous.



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It drives me insane when he is quoted in mainstream media. He has no qualifications, no knowledge of the games industry, no inside connections, nothing. He statements are random and always wrong, sometimes very wrong. It's like he just started talking about games and since there weren't any financial analysts doing so, people started quoting him in stories. He's a complete idiot. I would love it if he was no longer mentioned.



I don't want him banned. I just want him proven to be the moronic prognosticator most of us already know him to be.

I think a fall from grace is better than a single site banning.



The rEVOLution is not being televised

gergroy said:
Aielyn said:
gergroy said:
He's a real analyst that works for a pretty prestigious firm. There isn't any reason to ban his quotes. He isn't right all the time, but any time you are trying to predict the future you are bound to be wrong some of the time.   

The thing is, he's wrong far more often than he's right, and never admits to errors.

Tell me - does a world-class chef offer their best food for free as a regular event? Does a musician wanting to sell CDs give their CDs away for free to 99% of the public? Does an ad-supported commercial TV channel provide easy access to an ad-free free-to-air stream of their content?

Pachter may be a skilled analyst. It's entirely possible. But the fact that he's releasing these claims publicly for free when his job is to provide analyses to businesses tells me that what he's saying publicly has no real value. If we assume that his public statements aren't actually PR (the alternative is that he's being paid by a company in the gaming industry to say these things), then his only reason for saying what he says publicly is attention - the more attention the claims get, the more money he gets from advertising, etc.

Think of Pachter's public comments as moonlighting - he makes more money from comments that would be worthless in his normal job. So there's two options: either he's providing FUD for the purpose of PR for a company (likely Activision or EA, if it's anyone), or he's providing grandiose claims in order to gain publicity. Either way, his statements aren't worth anything.

Most of the stories and quotes that come up is because Pachter is one of two primary analysts that look at the game industry.  As such, the gaming journalist are always asking for his opinion on what he thinks of something.  Now, Pachter is not a gamer, he is an analyst, so a lot of what he says is pretty condesending which seems to upset a lot of gamers.  

He says stuff like Call of Duty's story sucks, and Nintendo is failing.  However, people don't seem to understand that isn't saying Nintendo isn't delivering a great gaming experience, he is talking about Nintendo's ability to provide profits.  Sony and Microsoft are large companies that have a lot of things going for them besides games.  Nintendo is just games, as such the emergence of smartphones and mobile gaming will have a much bigger impact on their profit performance than the other two companies.  

These statements then get taken and put in articles, often out of context, and it pisses off gamers.  My point is that Pachter isn't talking to gamers, his work involves previewing stock performance of game companies.  He isn't right all the time, he is often wrong, but that doesn't mean we need to ban his comments.  How many people on this site make bad predictions all the time?  Should we ban people that make bad preditions now?  His comments create discussion, that is the point of these forums, to discuss. 

Also, Pachter does admit all the time when he is wrong, and definitely admits errors, those apoligies aren't gaming news though...

Personally, I like Jesse Divinich better, but I'll still look at what Pachter says. 

If you guys want to understand Pachter a little better, here is a link to an interview he did way back when.  It probably won't make you like him any better, as he is pretty condescending towards games, but you will better understand that he is mostly just focused on how the companies and products perform, rather than how they play.  

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/being-michael-pachter-interview


That interview totally shows how much of a jerk he is in person.  



The only people who hate him are nintendo fans and only because he gives nintendo a hard time. Sometimes rightly and sometimes wrongly. Live with it.



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fauzman said:
The only people who hate him are nintendo fans and only because he gives nintendo a hard time. Sometimes rightly and sometimes wrongly. Live with it.


That's not true, really.  He craps on more than just them.  However, I think the idea that he talks crap about certain companies just for attention may be correct based  on this part of the interview

Eurogamer: Do you ever get it completely wrong?

Michael Pachter: All the time. All the time. But who cares? I'm glad you asked that question. It's not my job to induce investors to do something, to compel them to action. That's not my job. My job is to make them better informed so they can make better-informed decisions. It would be naive of me and extremely arrogant of me to believe that I'm the only person that they would ever speak to and I'm the only source of data they would ever have.



MDMAlliance said:
fauzman said:
The only people who hate him are nintendo fans and only because he gives nintendo a hard time. Sometimes rightly and sometimes wrongly. Live with it.


That's not true, really.  He craps on more than just them.  However, I think the idea that he talks crap about certain companies just for attention may be correct based  on this part of the interview

Eurogamer: Do you ever get it completely wrong?

Michael Pachter: All the time. All the time. But who cares? I'm glad you asked that question. It's not my job to induce investors to do something, to compel them to action. That's not my job. My job is to make them better informed so they can make better-informed decisions. It would be naive of me and extremely arrogant of me to believe that I'm the only person that they would ever speak to and I'm the only source of data they would ever have.

 

Perhaps. The people who seem to hate him the most on this site seem to me to be nintendo guys.

I dont really seem what you mean that he just wants attention - what he is saying is what I have heard about his job and of course the investors will have more than 1 source of information. 



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fauzman said:
MDMAlliance said:
fauzman said:
The only people who hate him are nintendo fans and only because he gives nintendo a hard time. Sometimes rightly and sometimes wrongly. Live with it.


That's not true, really.  He craps on more than just them.  However, I think the idea that he talks crap about certain companies just for attention may be correct based  on this part of the interview

Eurogamer: Do you ever get it completely wrong?

Michael Pachter: All the time. All the time. But who cares? I'm glad you asked that question. It's not my job to induce investors to do something, to compel them to action. That's not my job. My job is to make them better informed so they can make better-informed decisions. It would be naive of me and extremely arrogant of me to believe that I'm the only person that they would ever speak to and I'm the only source of data they would ever have.

 

Perhaps. The people who seem to hate him the most on this site seem to me to be nintendo guys.

I dont really seem what you mean that he just wants attention - what he is saying is what I have heard about his job and of course the investors will have more than 1 source of information. 


The thing is that he says things such as that Nintendo fans would buy a box with the word "Nintendo" on it and not even care.  He was bashing the Nintendo fanbase as being those who would buy anything Nintendo releases, even if it's complete garbage.  I haven't really known about him until I started reading up about the 3DS, where he made lots of unnecessarily harsh remarks that ended up being not true at all.  He knows he's wrong all the time, so I think he takes advantage of this fact to make outlandish statements about something smaller he believes.  This way more people talk about it.  

In that interview, he said he pissed off Sony for implying that they are ripping off their consumers.  He said he did apologize, but it still doesn't ammend the fact that he is doing this on a regular basis.



MDMAlliance said:
fauzman said:
MDMAlliance said:
fauzman said:
The only people who hate him are nintendo fans and only because he gives nintendo a hard time. Sometimes rightly and sometimes wrongly. Live with it.


That's not true, really.  He craps on more than just them.  However, I think the idea that he talks crap about certain companies just for attention may be correct based  on this part of the interview

Eurogamer: Do you ever get it completely wrong?

Michael Pachter: All the time. All the time. But who cares? I'm glad you asked that question. It's not my job to induce investors to do something, to compel them to action. That's not my job. My job is to make them better informed so they can make better-informed decisions. It would be naive of me and extremely arrogant of me to believe that I'm the only person that they would ever speak to and I'm the only source of data they would ever have.

 

Perhaps. The people who seem to hate him the most on this site seem to me to be nintendo guys.

I dont really seem what you mean that he just wants attention - what he is saying is what I have heard about his job and of course the investors will have more than 1 source of information. 


The thing is that he says things such as that Nintendo fans would buy a box with the word "Nintendo" on it and not even care.  He was bashing the Nintendo fanbase as being those who would buy anything Nintendo releases, even if it's complete garbage.  I haven't really known about him until I started reading up about the 3DS, where he made lots of unnecessarily harsh remarks that ended up being not true at all.  He knows he's wrong all the time, so I think he takes advantage of this fact to make outlandish statements about something smaller he believes.  This way more people talk about it.  

In that interview, he said he pissed off Sony for implying that they are ripping off their consumers.  He said he did apologize, but it still doesn't ammend the fact that he is doing this on a regular basis.

Meh. Dont really know if he is an attention-seeker or not. Personally I am never bothered by what he is saying about sony but then they arent in his headlights as much as nintendo. 



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fauzman said:
MDMAlliance said:


The thing is that he says things such as that Nintendo fans would buy a box with the word "Nintendo" on it and not even care.  He was bashing the Nintendo fanbase as being those who would buy anything Nintendo releases, even if it's complete garbage.  I haven't really known about him until I started reading up about the 3DS, where he made lots of unnecessarily harsh remarks that ended up being not true at all.  He knows he's wrong all the time, so I think he takes advantage of this fact to make outlandish statements about something smaller he believes.  This way more people talk about it.  

In that interview, he said he pissed off Sony for implying that they are ripping off their consumers.  He said he did apologize, but it still doesn't ammend the fact that he is doing this on a regular basis.

Meh. Dont really know if he is an attention-seeker or not. Personally I am never bothered by what he is saying about sony but then they arent in his headlights as much as nintendo. 


It probably has to do with the fact that these past two years Nintendo has been doing a lot.  With a lot of activity from Nintendo, there are a lot more things he can comment on.  It's also because Nintendo is an easier target when they've already got some people thinking certain negative things about Nintendo already.