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Scoobes on 05 December 2012
Soleron said:
superchunk said:
Soleron said:

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1) you said the only GPGPU commercial product was in a video decoder. I said... its in WiiU too.

2) I don't remember the architecture/model name, just know it is related to the original plans for 2013 APUs.

Also, are current A10 APUs GPGPU tech inside? I thought it was but your posts make me question this.

 

EDIT: btw, AMD uses OpenCL (a GPGPU library) with its APU Fusion designs. Found this all over AMDs site.

Edit2: http://www.anandtech.com/show/5847/answered-by-the-experts-heterogeneous-and-gpu-compute-with-amds-manju-hegde

1) Commercial software products. As in, something that takes advantage of that GPGPU functionality. Hardware support means nothing without actual uses. For hardware, yes every PC graphics card since 2007 and all three next game consoles support it. However I expect exactly zero games will use it.

I'm pretty sure Matlab has a toolbox that utilises the GPU as well as other scientific based software, especially for molecular modelling and bioinformatics. I also remember reading that some anti-virus software had started making use of the GPU to speed things up.




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Soleron on 05 December 2012
Scoobes said:
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I'm pretty sure Matlab has a toolbox that utilises the GPU as well as other scientific based software, especially for molecular modelling and bioinformatics. I also remember reading that some anti-virus software had started making use of the GPU to speed things up.

All I'm seeing about the antivirus is claims about speedup. Do you have a download link or purchase link?

Re: Matlab, what they have is the same as the AMD driver: tools that allow you to speed up code that YOU write. You have to do the coding yourself, and that is the hard part that I'm saying won't happen. Any commercial software use that Matlab toolkit?

I know some Physics PhDs in the lab I go to lectures in use GPGPU, but they use it on one-off simulations that only run on their lab computer, and they have to be PhDs to even design and operate it (and it takes the length of a PhD to do so). That's not practical.



dahuman on 05 December 2012
VGKing said:
dahuman said:
thismeintiel said:
dahuman said:
Oh boy, I can't wait for Etho and others all of a sudden start praising how wonderful a GPGPU is and how it will change gaming after reading that thing while it didn't matter on the Wii U :P

As the article points out, the Wii U is capable of using GPGPU (this is a method of computing, not a specific type of GPU), but is doing it with "arguably weak chips."  If the GPU proves to be quite weak, then there isn't going to much of an advantage to using the GPU as a GPGPU.  The PS4 and NeXbox, if this rumor proves to be true, are going to be built with this method in mind, so should still come with very good CPUs and GPUs.

Just how powerful do you think MS and Sony chips will be anyways? :P They will all be weak lol.

Way more powerful than a Wii U. That's really all we know.
Anything else is just wishful thinking on your part.

wishful what thinking? You are saying I'm only wishing my PC will be stronger? now you are not making any sense at all. I'm merely stating that all 8th gen consoles will be weak in my eyes, you are hoping for way too much lol.



dahuman on 05 December 2012
Soleron said:
dahuman said:
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Just how powerful do you think MS and Sony chips will be anyways? :P They will all be weak lol.

4-8x as powerful? The console as a whole is allowed to consume 6x as much power as Wii U.

They can be, but it sure as hell doesn't make them powerful, and you know where I'm coming from.



Soleron on 05 December 2012
dahuman said:

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They can be, but it sure as hell doesn't make them powerful, and you know where I'm coming from.

Still powerful enough to drive 1080p 30fps any recent PC game at reasonable detail. I agree that's not 3 screens of 2560x1600 in 3D at 60fps with max detail but you're still getting the whole experience and not being held back on the game itself like 7th gen.



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thismeintiel on 05 December 2012
dahuman said:
thismeintiel said:
dahuman said:
Oh boy, I can't wait for Etho and others all of a sudden start praising how wonderful a GPGPU is and how it will change gaming after reading that thing while it didn't matter on the Wii U :P

As the article points out, the Wii U is capable of using GPGPU (this is a method of computing, not a specific type of GPU), but is doing it with "arguably weak chips."  If the GPU proves to be quite weak, then there isn't going to much of an advantage to using the GPU as a GPGPU.  The PS4 and NeXbox, if this rumor proves to be true, are going to be built with this method in mind, so should still come with very good CPUs and GPUs.

Just how powerful do you think MS and Sony chips will be anyways? :P They will all be weak lol.

Sony has never released a console that was only marginally more powerful compared to the previous gen, and they are not going to start now.  The only people who think the PS4 is going to be a slight upgrade from the PS3 are Nintendo fans who are praying the gap in graphics won't be a large as it was this gen.  But considering Wii U is currently trying to compete (and in some cases losing) against current gen consoles, it seems the graphical gap will be similar.



 

bertlsenix on 05 December 2012
thismeintiel said:
dahuman said:
thismeintiel said:
dahuman said:
Oh boy, I can't wait for Etho and others all of a sudden start praising how wonderful a GPGPU is and how it will change gaming after reading that thing while it didn't matter on the Wii U :P

As the article points out, the Wii U is capable of using GPGPU (this is a method of computing, not a specific type of GPU), but is doing it with "arguably weak chips."  If the GPU proves to be quite weak, then there isn't going to much of an advantage to using the GPU as a GPGPU.  The PS4 and NeXbox, if this rumor proves to be true, are going to be built with this method in mind, so should still come with very good CPUs and GPUs.

Just how powerful do you think MS and Sony chips will be anyways? :P They will all be weak lol.

Sony has never released a console that was only marginally powerful compared to the previous gen, and they are not going to start now.  The only people who think the PS4 is going to be a slight upgrade from the PS3 are Nintendo fans who are praying the gap in graphics won't be a large as it was this gen.  But considering Wii U is currently trying to compete (and in some cases losing) against current gen consoles, it seems the graphical gap will be similar.


Pretty much this.
Cause 3rd Party support is only guaranteed as long as the WiiU can keep up with the better selling consoles without wasting to much money on developing an extra version...Right now these are the PS360.You just use something between PC and PS360.Not a lot of effort cause its already there.
But then when everything is moving on again...PC > PS4Nextbox and probably by far then the WiiU 3rd Party Devs will think about it twice again especially after the WiiU is MAYBE not so strong with 3rd party games.
Nintendo Fans FEAR exactly that - But I mean who cares..After the SNES Era Nintendo always was about the 1st Party Studios and their franchises.If you don't wanted Zelda and Mario you didn't need to buy a Nintendo console.For everything else other consoles pushed the market.


But @ PS4 Hardware
My Source told me it will come with a special technology from aliens.
My Source is my cat and he is a pretty good analyst.He know his stuff.He is best friends with Pachter.



dahuman on 05 December 2012
Soleron said:
dahuman said:

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They can be, but it sure as hell doesn't make them powerful, and you know where I'm coming from.

Still powerful enough to drive 1080p 30fps any recent PC game at reasonable detail. I agree that's not 3 screens of 2560x1600 in 3D at 60fps with max detail but you're still getting the whole experience and not being held back on the game itself like 7th gen.

I'd be happy enough with 720P 60FPS at pretty good details on consoles TBH since I know they are weak, I just don't know what people are expecting from the GPGPU other than for decompression, physics and "maybe" some AI assist.



Soleron on 05 December 2012
dahuman said:
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I'd be happy enough with 720P 60FPS at pretty good details on consoles TBH since I know they are weak, I just don't know what people are expecting from the GPGPU other than for decompression, physics and "maybe" some AI assist.

Iwata told them it'd be a magic wand, I think.



dahuman on 05 December 2012
thismeintiel said:
dahuman said:
thismeintiel said:
dahuman said:
Oh boy, I can't wait for Etho and others all of a sudden start praising how wonderful a GPGPU is and how it will change gaming after reading that thing while it didn't matter on the Wii U :P

As the article points out, the Wii U is capable of using GPGPU (this is a method of computing, not a specific type of GPU), but is doing it with "arguably weak chips."  If the GPU proves to be quite weak, then there isn't going to much of an advantage to using the GPU as a GPGPU.  The PS4 and NeXbox, if this rumor proves to be true, are going to be built with this method in mind, so should still come with very good CPUs and GPUs.

Just how powerful do you think MS and Sony chips will be anyways? :P They will all be weak lol.

Sony has never released a console that was only marginally more powerful compared to the previous gen, and they are not going to start now.  The only people who think the PS4 is going to be a slight upgrade from the PS3 are Nintendo fans who are praying the gap in graphics won't be a large as it was this gen.  But considering Wii U is currently trying to compete (and in some cases losing) against current gen consoles, it seems the graphical gap will be similar.


I'm purely speaking as a PC gamer who knows the market, thinking the next PS4 is going to be some power house is ridiculous and some people will be really disappointed.