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kowenicki said:
Mr Khan said:
kowenicki said:

Forgive me. EXPLETIVE!

It's one of a set of skills that you need to be able to function in the modern business world.

If you can't communicate on a personal level then yes you are at a disadvantage. So hey.... Why not put yourself out there and learn.

I wasn't the best in the social business environment either, but I put myself out of my comfort zone and got on with it.

If you think everyone networking is comfortable then you are extremely naive.

Being qualified is less than half the requirement in my experience.

Your problem becomes more apparent by the day, you are negative and it's all someone else's fault.

I wouldn't hire you either. Get over yourself, the world owes you nothing.

 

rant response to rant thread over.

The world owes me a job. Not a great job, but not a job that's exploiting me (as too many seem to want to do).

There i said it.

Then you're screwed.

it literally doesn't owe you a thing. 

I wasn't born into anything, very, very! modest background, likely a lot more modest than yours.  

Networking isn't only for insiders, you go there, you put yourself in it, you become part of it. With luck you profit from it. That's the point. 

The key word is in there somewhere.

I think it begins with the letter "L".



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Networking is simply... being friendly and knowing when its appropriate to pucker up your lips.

Sorry, but no one wants to work with people they don't enjoy. You have to have some sort of personality otherwise you will fail. Its just a fact of life.

Networking is sometimes essential, because too often you'll get someone who looks good on paper and did well in interview... only to find out they suck.



Thing about networking, you still work hard on soft skills...

Also it makes sense...
It usually goes down like this...
There is a job coming up and I know this person quite well and know what his personality is like and his skills are good.

You see when it comes to a job, they also want to know your personality and if you will fit in. By having sort of a prior relationship, people will choose you over qualified but people of an unknown personality.



Mr Khan said:
kowenicki said:

Forgive me. EXPLETIVE!

It's one of a set of skills that you need to be able to function in the modern business world.

If you can't communicate on a personal level then yes you are at a disadvantage. So hey.... Why not put yourself out there and learn.

I wasn't the best in the social business environment either, but I put myself out of my comfort zone and got on with it.

If you think everyone networking is comfortable then you are extremely naive.

Being qualified is less than half the requirement in my experience.

Your problem becomes more apparent by the day, you are negative and it's all someone else's fault.

I wouldn't hire you either. Get over yourself, the world owes you nothing.

 

rant response to rant thread over.

The world owes me a job. Not a great job, but not a job that's exploiting me (as too many seem to want to do).

There i said it.

no, it doesn't.  just like the world doesn't owe anyone a boy/girlfriend.  their is a lot of compitition out there and the spoils go to those that can best grab it.

i don't know a lot about you personally but a thread like this makes it hard for me to believe you are the best potential employee in the crowd.



superchunk said:
Networking is simply... being friendly and knowing when its appropriate to pucker up your lips.

Sorry, but no one wants to work with people they don't enjoy. You have to have some sort of personality otherwise you will fail. Its just a fact of life.

Networking is sometimes essential, because too often you'll get someone who looks good on paper and did well in interview... only to find out they suck.


been there.  it sucks to have to fire someone.



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kitler53 said:
Mr Khan said:
kowenicki said:

Forgive me. EXPLETIVE!

It's one of a set of skills that you need to be able to function in the modern business world.

If you can't communicate on a personal level then yes you are at a disadvantage. So hey.... Why not put yourself out there and learn.

I wasn't the best in the social business environment either, but I put myself out of my comfort zone and got on with it.

If you think everyone networking is comfortable then you are extremely naive.

Being qualified is less than half the requirement in my experience.

Your problem becomes more apparent by the day, you are negative and it's all someone else's fault.

I wouldn't hire you either. Get over yourself, the world owes you nothing.

 

rant response to rant thread over.

The world owes me a job. Not a great job, but not a job that's exploiting me (as too many seem to want to do).

There i said it.

no, it doesn't.  just like the world doesn't owe anyone a boy/girlfriend.  their is a lot of compitition out there and the spoils go to those that can best grab it.

i don't know a lot about you personally but a thread like this makes it hard for me to believe you are the best potential employee in the crowd.

All of the groups that have actually given me a damn chance (aside from the two scam jobs i picked up this year, whom i parted ways with on very bad terms) enjoyed my work thoroughly. Near the end of my three-month stint with KFC, i was their go-to guy if anyone called off. If the Library hadn't had their budget slashed, they'd still have me on. I fit in very well with the people at the congressional campaign, and Gamestop said i'm better than all of the other seasonal helpers they've hired this year. Got a glowing recommendation from my internship, and forged friendships with the janitorial staff in my work-study job in college (which, given racial and socioeconomic differences there, has to count for something).

Once i get past the hiring managers, their stupid trap questions, cheap tricks, and red tape, institutions generally find me a model worker.



Monster Hunter: pissing me off since 2010.

Mr Khan said:

More or less self-explanatory thread (or, Mr Khan's job-searching rant thread number three).

Networking is cheating. It's modern-day croneyism built into a system that favors insiders and people who know people, heavily favoring so-called "type A" personalities and more extroverted individuals, and overlooking any individuals who worked hard to get where they were but weren't born with a silver spoon in their mouths or didn't room with the right guy in college.

When someone gets a job by networking, a more deserving person loses out. Therefore, networking to get a job is cheating, and sites like LinkedIn should be outlawed.

But business itself is networking. You establish relationships with clients.



Mr Khan said:

When someone gets a job by networking, a more deserving person loses out. Therefore, networking to get a job is cheating, and sites like LinkedIn should be outlawed.

You're presuposing that the person who gets the job via networking is never the more deserving candidate.  They're not mutually exclusive, at least by definition.  I mean, I agree with you if they're getting the job only because they know someone, but look at it this way: a resume is a list of skills with minimal supporting data; an interview is rough proof of skills; 10 people saying, "This guy was fantastic at X" is reinforcement of those skills by reputation.  Just the resume alone is a list of claimed skills.  You have to go beyond that or you've got no idea who you're hiring.  Say you're in a position to hire someone.  Are you going to chose the guy lists Y as a skill or the guy who lists Y as a skill and has 10 former co-workers backing him up?  If you think about it in terms of reputation, it's much more reasonable than if you think "oh, they just hire their friends!" (Not that there isn't some of that going on out there)



My networking endeavors have not panned out at all since I graduated. First, I wasn't hired at my Fraternity Headquarters even after I interned there. Next I move to Texas as my father is down here and holds a high up position in the natural gas industry, several job lead attempts, all crumbled, mostly to internal hires. Now I'm in some kind of democratic board hell where I work trying to land a big promotion even after being endorsed by the person leaving the position I'm taking and already considered the superintendent by almost everyone working here.

I also think I might has aspurgers.



Before the PS3 everyone was nice to me :(

I understand your point, but have to disagree. Intelectual and technical capacities are important, but the hability to negotiate is a key part in any business.