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platformmaster918 on 01 December 2012
Squilliam said:
The Xbox 360 would have absolutely thrashed the PS3 in terms of performance.

kinda like Xbox did to PS2?  This is an interesting spinoff perhaps.  If PS3 had been close to Wii in performance a lot of third parties would most likely take that huge install base over 360 and created a potentially fatal situation for MS considering significantly less 360s would have been sold.  Gaming would have been kinda held back for a gen but if MS was pushed out then less polygons for one gen would be a fine price to pay.




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platformmaster918 on 01 December 2012
crissindahouse said:

lol those threads are the best^^

what would have happened if sony would have had a total different console to what they have? how exactly should anyone know this? if they wouldn't have blu-ray and the cell and whatever they would have had used totally different arguments for their console and with that, more, the same or even less people would have bought it.

you could be right or 50 million off (per console)

why didn't I see any of these kinds of insults in the "what if Wii had not motion controls" thread or the other ones I've been seeing?  Look no one can predict with absolute certainty anything, so either take a good guess based off my circumstances, make up your own little spinoff, or get out!  You don't need to insult the very idea of a what if.




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crissindahouse on 01 December 2012
platformmaster918 said:
crissindahouse said:

lol those threads are the best^^

what would have happened if sony would have had a total different console to what they have? how exactly should anyone know this? if they wouldn't have blu-ray and the cell and whatever they would have had used totally different arguments for their console and with that, more, the same or even less people would have bought it.

you could be right or 50 million off (per console)

why didn't I see any of these kinds of insults in the "what if Wii had not motion controls" thread or the other ones I've been seeing?  Look no one can predict with absolute certainty anything, so either take a good guess based off my circumstances, make up your own little spinoff, or get out!  You don't need to insult the very idea of a what if.

that's not an insult, it's just the truth...

do you have any clue how microsoft or nintendo would have changed their startegies then? maybe microsoft would have bought other gaming companies then to counter the ps3 or whatever, we just don't know it.

if you can't live with someone showing you that such a thread is pointless don't open such a thread or live with my comment



zorg1000 on 01 December 2012
platformmaster918 said:
zorg1000 said:
these type of dicussions are alright if its a feasible idea, but there is no way sony would have been able to release PS3 in 2005 for $400. Maybe if it excluded blu ray and went with a cheaper alternative to the cell

My god read the OP I included the idea of ditching cell!  You guys can add to the discussion by saying how you think they could cut costs, but that's not really the point that I was trying to discuss.  However they would do it (cut bluray, cell, or BC) what if this scenario had happened?  I believe cell is the biggest thing that has held Sony back this gen and it will be again next gen as PS4 will have a hard time with BC because of it and PS3 will never get to the most mass market prices.





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platformmaster918 on 01 December 2012
crissindahouse said:
platformmaster918 said:
crissindahouse said:

lol those threads are the best^^

what would have happened if sony would have had a total different console to what they have? how exactly should anyone know this? if they wouldn't have blu-ray and the cell and whatever they would have had used totally different arguments for their console and with that, more, the same or even less people would have bought it.

you could be right or 50 million off (per console)

why didn't I see any of these kinds of insults in the "what if Wii had not motion controls" thread or the other ones I've been seeing?  Look no one can predict with absolute certainty anything, so either take a good guess based off my circumstances, make up your own little spinoff, or get out!  You don't need to insult the very idea of a what if.

that's not an insult, it's just the truth...

do you have any clue how microsoft or nintendo would have changed their startegies then? maybe microsoft would have bought other gaming companies then to counter the ps3 or whatever, we just don't know it.

if you can't live with someone showing you that your arguments are pointless don't open such a thread.

It's kind of a given that these discussions are pointless but so are most internet discussions.  If you pointed out the pointlessness of every thread that wouldn't effect the future then you would be here all day.




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zorg1000 on 01 December 2012

^idk why it didnt show what i wrote, but yeah if sony would have released in 2005 for $399 and had a cheaper alternative to cell, lack of blu ray, and slightly weaker than 360 it would have stole alot of its core crowd and prolly be close to wii sales.



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slowmo on 01 December 2012

The answer is probably the same as if the 360 hadn't had the RROD. The PS3 would have died a early death. It would have been underpowered, lacked any killer apps, have a inferior online service, no gimmick to sell like motion gaming. This has been done to death, the Cell wasn't the issue for launch anyway it was Bluray diodes...



crissindahouse on 01 December 2012
platformmaster918 said:
 

It's kind of a given that these discussions are pointless but so are most internet discussions.  If you pointed out the pointlessness of every thread that wouldn't effect the future then you would be here all day.

yeah sure but i only open a thread if i see it on the front page as one of the first ones or if my buddy shows a new post in a thread i already posted in.



Salnax on 01 December 2012
kowenicki said:

These discussions are pointless.

Isn't everything?



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DirtyP2002 on 01 December 2012
platformmaster918 said:
DirtyP2002 said:

The question is nonsense. What would have happened if Sony took another 3 billion USD loss? Because that is what your scenario really means.

The PS3 lost about 5 billion USD the way it went and they are still not in 2nd place. (If you rate the manufacturers only on market share). Ask yourself where the Wii or 360 (both are profitable products) would be if MS / Nintendo said "We do not need the profit, we go for market share!". MS could have donated 20 million Xbox 360s just for fun and Nintendo even more so.

And you need to realise that the reason the 360 sells / sold so well is the 360. Sounds simple, doesn't it? It sells so well, because people want it and not because, the PS3 is too expensive for them.

If you had bothered to read the first paragraph of my OP you would see that I am discussing an entirely different architecture (lack of Cell) and what would have happened if that had been coupled with an earlier release.  Please read before you criticize.


If you bothered to use your head for something else than fashion accessory you would see that your thread is still nonsense.

Your whole argumentation is built on your believe that if the Xbox 360 and the PS3 were the exact same consoles, the PS3 would easily win.
You refuse to acknowledge that the millions of people who bought a Wii or a Xbox 360 did this, because they liked those consoles more than the PS3. It is hard to swallow, but face it.



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