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I agree, but I still can't remember anybody saying the Wii U will be weaker than the PS3 / 360.



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brendude13 said:
I agree, but I still can't remember anybody saying the Wii U will be weaker than the PS3 / 360.


dude read bet the lines!!! N/E ways it doesn't matter as the fact clearly shows the Wii U is above another level compared to the PS360.



fillet said:
My problem with the OP is that it paints an air of positivity where it isn't deserved. The specs speak for themselves and so do the ports, currently it looks bad, very bad.

Time will tell but posts like the OP are neither convincing, nor based on any evidence except anecdotal viewpoint. The people painting the negative view are basing it on evidence, which is the known specification. There are parts that aren't known, that is true, but it's wrong to assume those parts are going to be better than the baseline negative overall spec, and correct from past history and common sense to assume it will be generally negative spec.

Therefore OP is fail post.

It's quite simple.

My post certainly wasn't a 'fail' post. I used several examples of past systems that were more powerful than their predecessors, but didn't perform well with ports from older, less powerful systems (past history). Also, there are no official 'specs' out yet, so what the hell are you talking about? The whole RAM 'spec' assumes single channel, but it's not clear if the memory is in single or dual channel, so that is speculation. The complaints about the CPU do not take into account that the system is designed to rely less on CPU and more on GPU (different architecture) and that it's a different type of CPU that is more efficient, meaning it can do more with less clock speed. My overall point was that a crop of ports from systems with older architecture along with speculation is not enough to give a verdict on the system and that it's TOO EARLY in the lifecycle to hand down judgement, that was backed up by several detailed points, so it was hardly a fail post (unlike your poorly writted half paragraph above, which was nothing but opinoin and conjecture).



oni-link said:
brendude13 said:
I agree, but I still can't remember anybody saying the Wii U will be weaker than the PS3 / 360.


dude read bet the lines!!! N/E ways it doesn't matter as the fact clearly shows the Wii U is above another level compared to the PS360.

I don't even remember people implying it. I wouldn't say the Wii U is on "another level", but it'll certainly have better graphics when 1st party devs invest some time into it.



timmah said:
fillet said:
My problem with the OP is that it paints an air of positivity where it isn't deserved. The specs speak for themselves and so do the ports, currently it looks bad, very bad.

Time will tell but posts like the OP are neither convincing, nor based on any evidence except anecdotal viewpoint. The people painting the negative view are basing it on evidence, which is the known specification. There are parts that aren't known, that is true, but it's wrong to assume those parts are going to be better than the baseline negative overall spec, and correct from past history and common sense to assume it will be generally negative spec.

Therefore OP is fail post.

It's quite simple.

My post certainly wasn't a 'fail' post. I used several examples of past systems that were more powerful than their predecessors, but didn't perform well with ports from older, less powerful systems (past history). Also, there are no official 'specs' out yet, so what the hell are you talking about? The whole RAM 'spec' assumes single channel, but it's not clear if the memory is in single or dual channel, so that is speculation. The complaints about the CPU do not take into account that the system is designed to rely less on CPU and more on GPU (different architecture) and that it's a different type of CPU that is more efficient, meaning it can do more with less clock speed. My overall point was that a crop of ports from systems with older architecture along with speculation is not enough to give a verdict on the system and that it's TOO EARLY in the lifecycle to hand down judgement, that was backed up by several detailed points, so it was hardly a fail post (unlike your poorly writted half paragraph above, which was nothing but opinoin and conjecture).


You're completely wrong. I go by knowns, not fanfare and over optimism.

I don't need full paragraphs to make a point when simple ABCs will suffice. In fact the oppoiste could be said that to NEED paragraphs of fluff to put across a basic point kinda hints at how weak your OP was.

It's simply thus, the known specs don't look good, thus it doesn't look good. The unknown specs based on the known specs mean they are more likely to be on a level with the known than superior or inferior than the known.

You with me? It's basic analysis. It might sound boring and badly written but I'm not writing for a newspaper, I'm explaining what is MOST LIKELY. You are explaining an optimistic best case scenario, of course the scenario you describe is ONE possibility, but it certainly isn't the MOST LIKELY.

So yes, the negative viewpoints are fully warranted regardless of your one scenario because speaking from FACTS that are KNOWN, my view makes sense. Yours simply reads as non-analytical and defensive.

Your post is also actually wrong in some respects. The GPGPU will not be used in the manner you describe to offload CPU burden, GPGPUs are basically the only graphics cards available on the PC and are used only for PhysX, even though they have been in the mainstream for years. GPGPUs are of no real use in tandem with an underpowered CPU, things that a GPGPU are used for are still quite specific and are "icing on the cake" type effects, like PhysX complicated processing. You're wrong about the DirectX11 stuff to. DirectX with each release has full hardware support for the previous iteration, there is no "emulation" going on of lower DirectX based games, it's culmilative per revision ADDING extra features not swapping them. DirectX11 is highly advanced and based on the power of the GPU (I'm not calling it a GPGPU because all GPUs at this stage are GPGPUs) in the Wii-U, you will not be seeing many effects based on DirectX11 technology. Even DirectX10 unique effects will run like a dog on it.

If you research the GPU market on the PC, you will realize this. It's common knowledge, with each generation of increased support of DirectX, it's the version prior to latest version supported that runs best on each card, by best I don't mean most efficiently, I mean "useable" in for decent frame rates in games.

I'm not even going to address your other points about single channel/dual channel RAM and so forth because at this point, you don't know either way. But you do not have any basis to support the idea that there will be dual channel RAM or tri or quad or whatever.

My post was purely against your OP, not the Wii-U.

I despise fanfar, undeserved optimism and general fluff so felt compelled to comment. If you feel like reacting to this post then by all means fire away but imo there aren't enough knowns to support a positive view that isn't based on a hell of a lot of "what ifs". I don't agree with the sentiment that the Wii-U is doomed at this point, that is yet to be seen. The known facts however point to a negative outlook, not a positive one as you say.

In essence it's too early to be as positive as you are and it's too early to doom the Wii-U, but specualtion so far has not been terribly negative relative to the knowns - that is all.

Who knows, it could come with an extending dildo on the front. But again, don't get too positive about it as it might not happen.

That last sentence was a joke of course but you see where I'm coming from, it's completely baseless. Of course I could come up with a load of suppositions to make out there is one hidden away there that will be released in a later firmware update, but that doesn't make it so, or more importantly - mathematically likely.



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fillet said:
timmah said:
fillet said:
My problem with the OP is that it paints an air of positivity where it isn't deserved. The specs speak for themselves and so do the ports, currently it looks bad, very bad.

Time will tell but posts like the OP are neither convincing, nor based on any evidence except anecdotal viewpoint. The people painting the negative view are basing it on evidence, which is the known specification. There are parts that aren't known, that is true, but it's wrong to assume those parts are going to be better than the baseline negative overall spec, and correct from past history and common sense to assume it will be generally negative spec.

Therefore OP is fail post.

It's quite simple.

My post certainly wasn't a 'fail' post. I used several examples of past systems that were more powerful than their predecessors, but didn't perform well with ports from older, less powerful systems (past history). Also, there are no official 'specs' out yet, so what the hell are you talking about? The whole RAM 'spec' assumes single channel, but it's not clear if the memory is in single or dual channel, so that is speculation. The complaints about the CPU do not take into account that the system is designed to rely less on CPU and more on GPU (different architecture) and that it's a different type of CPU that is more efficient, meaning it can do more with less clock speed. My overall point was that a crop of ports from systems with older architecture along with speculation is not enough to give a verdict on the system and that it's TOO EARLY in the lifecycle to hand down judgement, that was backed up by several detailed points, so it was hardly a fail post (unlike your poorly writted half paragraph above, which was nothing but opinoin and conjecture).


You're completely wrong. I go by knowns, not fanfare and over optimism.

I don't need full paragraphs to make a point when simple ABCs will suffice. In fact the oppoiste could be said that to NEED paragraphs of fluff to put across a basic point kinda hints at how weak your OP was.

It's simply thus, the known specs don't look good, thus it doesn't look good. The unknown specs based on the known specs mean they are more likely to be on a level with the known than superior or inferior than the known.

You with me? It's basic analysis. It might sound boring and badly written but I'm not writing for a newspaper, I'm explaining what is MOST LIKELY. You are explaining an optimistic best case scenario, of course the scenario you describe is ONE possibility, but it certainly isn't the MOST LIKELY.

So yes, the negative viewpoints are fully warranted regardless of your one scenario because speaking from FACTS that are KNOWN, my view makes sense. Yours simply reads as non-analytical and defensive.

Your post is also actually wrong in some respects. The GPGPU will not be used in the manner you describe to offload CPU burden, GPGPUs are basically the only graphics cards available on the PC and are used only for PhysX, even though they have been in the mainstream for years. GPGPUs are of no real use in tandem with an underpowered CPU, things that a GPGPU are used for are still quite specific and are "icing on the cake" type effects, like PhysX complicated processing. You're wrong about the DirectX11 stuff to. DirectX with each release has full hardware support for the previous iteration, there is no "emulation" going on of lower DirectX based games, it's culmilative per revision ADDING extra features not swapping them. DirectX11 is highly advanced and based on the power of the GPU (I'm not calling it a GPGPU because all GPUs at this stage are GPGPUs) in the Wii-U, you will not be seeing many effects based on DirectX11 technology. Even DirectX10 unique effects will run like a dog on it.

If you research the GPU market on the PC, you will realize this. It's common knowledge, with each generation of increased support of DirectX, it's the version prior to latest version supported that runs best on each card, by best I don't mean most efficiently, I mean "useable" in for decent frame rates in games.

I'm not even going to address your other points about single channel/dual channel RAM and so forth because at this point, you don't know either way. But you do not have any basis to support the idea that there will be dual channel RAM or tri or quad or whatever.

My post was purely against your OP, not the Wii-U.

I despise fanfar, undeserved optimism and general fluff so felt compelled to comment. If you feel like reacting to this post then by all means fire away but imo there aren't enough knowns to support a positive view that isn't based on a hell of a lot of "what ifs". I don't agree with the sentiment that the Wii-U is doomed at this point, that is yet to be seen. The known facts however point to a negative outlook, not a positive one as you say.

In essence it's too early to be as positive as you are and it's too early to doom the Wii-U, but specualtion so far has not been terribly negative relative to the knowns - that is all.

Who knows, it could come with an extending dildo on the front. But again, don't get too positive about it as it might not happen.

That last sentence was a joke of course but you see where I'm coming from, it's completely baseless. Of course I could come up with a load of suppositions to make out there is one hidden away there that will be released in a later firmware update, but that doesn't make it so, or more importantly - mathematically likely.

You either didn't actually read my post, or didn't get my point. My points were not there to make the case that the WiiU is a powerhouse, but mainly that the first crop of ports are not a good way to judge ANY SYSTEM, they never have been, ever. (if you don't get that then I don't know what else to say to you) and it is too early to say what the capabilities of the WiiU are, so people should cool their jets a little. Coming in and calling it a 'fail post' rather than just stating your opinions comes off as condescending and  just makes you look like a troll. It's always been my view that people can disagree without being disrespectful and rude.



timmah said:
fillet said:
timmah said:
fillet said:
My problem with the OP is that it paints an air of positivity where it isn't deserved. The specs speak for themselves and so do the ports, currently it looks bad, very bad.

Time will tell but posts like the OP are neither convincing, nor based on any evidence except anecdotal viewpoint. The people painting the negative view are basing it on evidence, which is the known specification. There are parts that aren't known, that is true, but it's wrong to assume those parts are going to be better than the baseline negative overall spec, and correct from past history and common sense to assume it will be generally negative spec.

Therefore OP is fail post.

It's quite simple.

My post certainly wasn't a 'fail' post. I used several examples of past systems that were more powerful than their predecessors, but didn't perform well with ports from older, less powerful systems (past history). Also, there are no official 'specs' out yet, so what the hell are you talking about? The whole RAM 'spec' assumes single channel, but it's not clear if the memory is in single or dual channel, so that is speculation. The complaints about the CPU do not take into account that the system is designed to rely less on CPU and more on GPU (different architecture) and that it's a different type of CPU that is more efficient, meaning it can do more with less clock speed. My overall point was that a crop of ports from systems with older architecture along with speculation is not enough to give a verdict on the system and that it's TOO EARLY in the lifecycle to hand down judgement, that was backed up by several detailed points, so it was hardly a fail post (unlike your poorly writted half paragraph above, which was nothing but opinoin and conjecture).


You're completely wrong. I go by knowns, not fanfare and over optimism.

I don't need full paragraphs to make a point when simple ABCs will suffice. In fact the oppoiste could be said that to NEED paragraphs of fluff to put across a basic point kinda hints at how weak your OP was.

It's simply thus, the known specs don't look good, thus it doesn't look good. The unknown specs based on the known specs mean they are more likely to be on a level with the known than superior or inferior than the known.

You with me? It's basic analysis. It might sound boring and badly written but I'm not writing for a newspaper, I'm explaining what is MOST LIKELY. You are explaining an optimistic best case scenario, of course the scenario you describe is ONE possibility, but it certainly isn't the MOST LIKELY.

So yes, the negative viewpoints are fully warranted regardless of your one scenario because speaking from FACTS that are KNOWN, my view makes sense. Yours simply reads as non-analytical and defensive.

Your post is also actually wrong in some respects. The GPGPU will not be used in the manner you describe to offload CPU burden, GPGPUs are basically the only graphics cards available on the PC and are used only for PhysX, even though they have been in the mainstream for years. GPGPUs are of no real use in tandem with an underpowered CPU, things that a GPGPU are used for are still quite specific and are "icing on the cake" type effects, like PhysX complicated processing. You're wrong about the DirectX11 stuff to. DirectX with each release has full hardware support for the previous iteration, there is no "emulation" going on of lower DirectX based games, it's culmilative per revision ADDING extra features not swapping them. DirectX11 is highly advanced and based on the power of the GPU (I'm not calling it a GPGPU because all GPUs at this stage are GPGPUs) in the Wii-U, you will not be seeing many effects based on DirectX11 technology. Even DirectX10 unique effects will run like a dog on it.

If you research the GPU market on the PC, you will realize this. It's common knowledge, with each generation of increased support of DirectX, it's the version prior to latest version supported that runs best on each card, by best I don't mean most efficiently, I mean "useable" in for decent frame rates in games.

I'm not even going to address your other points about single channel/dual channel RAM and so forth because at this point, you don't know either way. But you do not have any basis to support the idea that there will be dual channel RAM or tri or quad or whatever.

My post was purely against your OP, not the Wii-U.

I despise fanfar, undeserved optimism and general fluff so felt compelled to comment. If you feel like reacting to this post then by all means fire away but imo there aren't enough knowns to support a positive view that isn't based on a hell of a lot of "what ifs". I don't agree with the sentiment that the Wii-U is doomed at this point, that is yet to be seen. The known facts however point to a negative outlook, not a positive one as you say.

In essence it's too early to be as positive as you are and it's too early to doom the Wii-U, but specualtion so far has not been terribly negative relative to the knowns - that is all.

Who knows, it could come with an extending dildo on the front. But again, don't get too positive about it as it might not happen.

That last sentence was a joke of course but you see where I'm coming from, it's completely baseless. Of course I could come up with a load of suppositions to make out there is one hidden away there that will be released in a later firmware update, but that doesn't make it so, or more importantly - mathematically likely.

You either didn't actually read my post, or didn't get my point. My points were not there to make the case that the WiiU is a powerhouse, but mainly that the first crop of ports are not a good way to judge ANY SYSTEM, they never have been, ever. (if you don't get that then I don't know what else to say to you) and it is too early to say what the capabilities of the WiiU are, so people should cool their jets a little. Coming in and calling it a 'fail post' rather than just stating your opinions comes off as condescending and  just makes you look like a troll. It's always been my view that people can disagree without being disrespectful and rude.


Fair comment, I completely agree with you on this. Shouldn't have worded things like I did especially saying it was a fail post, that was wrong by any standards. Please accept my apologies on this and I appreciate your level headed post here pointing out that I shouldn't have posted what I did.



fillet said:


Fair comment, I completely agree with you on this. Shouldn't have worded things like I did especially saying it was a fail post, that was wrong by any standards. Please accept my apologies on this and I appreciate your level headed post here pointing out that I shouldn't have posted what I did.

It's cool.



Every new generation console the first batch of titles will never be pushing the system. But compared to last general every game is vastly better. But wiiU its not really better than ps360 games that's what the issue is



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