not surprising.. if even Apple can sell 5 million apple tv's as their "hobby" project... a bit more effort from any party could open that market easily...

I actually use an Android stick more cause the many not legal TV apps for android gives me hundreds of tv channels.. and the chinese have way too many vod apps..

It's safe to assume that whoever owns a current X360, won't need this setup-box, right ?

linky?

I don't think AA games are in a coffin, just console AA games.   The mid-core market by all stats and accounts is moving away from consoles to tablets, Free to play PC and the like.    Which will leave only the core market left for high-end gaming consoles.    We can already see that departure now as AA games are finding it increasingly hard to make a profit on consoles.  Whereas 'mid-core' games on tablets or F2P are becoming increasingly profitable.

How this Xbox TV will affect the mid-core market is really unclear.  That'll depend on what's considered 'casual'.   Is Need for Speed casual?  Madden?  Call of Duty?  If Xbox TV can play them or even a scaled down version of those, then Mid-cores will likely go there, otherwise they might stick to the full Xbox 720 - or just to their iOS/Android devices.

I dont give a sh** about the cable box i dont even watch Tv LOL

i only watch Sporttv for Football and mainly Premiere League and i have a box with all of that with over 200 channels i dont even watch anything only my parents use it.

I will buy the Gaming one and if you ask me the other is useless, Microsoft knows this will be big along people because many people want a low cost Tv-Like service and Microsoft with all the apps and things they have on 360 the could already have done that easilly...

Yet for me and most of my friends this will be useless.

I hope they drop the price of Xbox Live Gaming and divide it into (Hardocre Pack vs Casual Pack). I pay for Live to play games but i pay more because of all the apps and sh** i dont even use.

Ha, there are legal ones like Filmon for the british tv channels and the semi legal CloudTV for a bunch a channels.. or live tv 2.0 flash, watch tv etc ...but Android also has his own sopcast player... ... I use sopcast for a lot sport matches

No I mean link to the Android stick you are referring to.

Ah, I got a Rikomagic MK802 II

but the 3 is just released
http://www.amazon.com/Rikomagic-Android-Rockchip-RK3066-1-6Ghz/dp/B00A0I4YJK/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1353535465&sr=1-1&keywords=Rikomagic+MK802+III

You plug it into a HDMI port and use a usb port on your tv to power it..
you can connect a keyboard, mouse even a supported webcam for skype

I have a mini keyboard like this for it:
http://www.amazon.com/FAVI-Entertainment-Wireless-Keyboard-TouchPad/dp/B003UE52ME/ref=pd_sim_e_2

It makes a normal HDTV into a smart TV.. i like it and its pretty cheap.

I would be very happy if Microsoft changed their subscription service to be more flexible, so people don't have to pay for things they never use.

Like you said, they should bring it down to the $20-$30 mark like Steam chargers for its playe-- oh wait a minute.

I suppose it would be too much to ask Microsoft for free online gaming even though we already have to pay for our internet service... It is Microsoft, after all.

Sounds like it will be like a normal Xbox 360 in terms of power (or at least close) but with expanded entertainment options.

Honestly a pretty smart move by MS with what they are doing.

I'm hoping that this next gen they have a couple of different tiers for Xbox Live

$20-30 for just online gaming (like TADS12 said)
the normal $60 for what we have now
And a entertainment bundled one for only God knows how much.