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Chark said:

I felt Romney was a terrible choice for the Republican party. Then again, who wasn't? The party is going through a schism and while they were trying to retain their command on the population so that they have a chance of winning an election they needed some well tailored candidate that could attract the new vocal extreme conservatives and provide a level of moderation. Of course that's kind of hard to do and while everyone felt that Romney, a strongly moderate republican, would be the most likely person to beat Obama under normal circumstances.

With right extremism they risked loosing the election so the Republican party fought hard to find another suitable candidate. After that not panning out it went back to Romney, but in order to appease the new constituency Romney had to "appear" more conservative than he actually was. Which is why he ran a campaign full of lies, ambiguity, and switching positions. It was a rough campaign but it kept the extreme right around, but not enough of the moderate in order to win the election as that group became more disgusted with the way the campaign was run.

Essentially the Republican party prevented the emergence of a conservative third party, the Tea Party. While still a pseudo party, they never really formed in the way they could have in the Republican party wasn't holding on to their constituents for dear life. The thing is though, the Republican party could very well be on its way out anyway, especially after loosing this election. Sometime, maybe not next election, maybe not the election after that, but there is a good chance that Texas will become a Democratic state and that will make it ever so difficult for a Republican to be elected as president. While that in itself won't destroy the party per se but it will shift the political climate. Unless the Republicans adapt to the new demographic of the country, of course. There still is the extreme right movement though, and there might still be a chance for a sustainable multi party situation.

Of course things could always change with the democratic party and there is always the factor of large sums of money in our election process.


The democrats will keep benefiting from the rise of the latinos but you have to be realist, the next democrat candidate probably won't be black so he will not do as well with black americans, they will probably vote in fewer number and they are unlikely to favor the next democrat as much as they did Obama ( he got 93% of the black vote). That will not be an issue in the western states like Nevada, Colorado or New Mexico where the black vote is small but that should put Ohio and Virginia back on the map... One fix of course would be to have Hilary as a candidate as that would increase democrats leads amongs women and the Clinton are generally well regarded amongst the black community...

As long as the republicans have to go to the right to win the primaries they will have trouble putting forward a candidate capable of winning the national election. One fix for them could be to move more moderate states ahead in the primaries to help moderate candidate win those.. ( having North Carolina so early kills moderates).  But generally I think going to the right is a mistake, in the end right wing folks will still vote for the republican candidate over the democrate and those you have to convince are the youngs and the latinos and the women, 3 groups that generally do not like right wing social ideas...

I am very liberal on social issues and more moderate on the economy but I have to admit I heard interesting things from republicans analysts today after the election.

They were commenting on the fact that republicans claim they are against big government but at the same time they are for it when it agrees with them and that is quite true.

If you don't want government to control so much of the economy, why would you want it to tell you who you can marry and or whether you can take contraceptives or not ? It does not make a lot of sense...



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Ail said:


The democrats will keep benefiting from the rise of the latinos but you have to be realist, the next democrat candidate probably won't be black so he will not do as well with black americans, they will probably vote in fewer number and they are unlikely to favor the next democrat as much as they did Obama ( he got 93% of the black vote). That will not be an issue in the western states like Nevada, Colorado or New Mexico where the black vote is small but that should put Ohio and Virginia back on the map... One fix of course would be to have Hilary as a candidate as that would increase democrats leads amongs women and the Clinton are generally well regarded amongst the black community...

As long as the republicans have to go to the right to win the primaries they will have trouble putting forward a candidate capable of winning the national election. One fix for them could be to move more moderate states ahead in the primaries to help moderate candidate win those.. ( having North Carolina so early kills moderates).  But generally I think going to the right is a mistake, in the end right wing folks will still vote for the republican candidate over the democrate and those you have to convince are the youngs and the latinos and the women, 3 groups that generally do not like right wing social ideas...

I am very liberal on social issues and more moderate on the economy but I have to admit I heard interesting things from republicans analysts today after the election.

They were commenting on the fact that republicans claim they are against big government but at the same time they are for it when it agrees with them and that is quite true.

If you don't want government to control so much of the economy, why would you want it to tell you who you can marry and or whether you can take contraceptives or not ? It does not make a lot of sense...


The republican party right now is a mess. Moving right is going to lose them elections, but so would avoiding the right if the Tea Party gains momentum again and splits up the party. If it wasn't for desperates actions by the Republican party, a great portion of voters would have moved to the Libertarian party or formed a new party, the Tea Party. The Republicans had a shot to repair their party with a president, now that's not happening so either time will heal them or they will figure out a solution. Otherwise they might end up in the same mess they were in these past 5 years.

The Democrats show no signs of a divide and having a two party system means whichever party doesn't have a schism will rule for a decent amount of time unhindered. That's the price to pay for turning mulit party since third parties will siphon voters from one party more than the other and it is highly unlikely more than one third party can rise up at the same time with voter attraction equally divide up between Republican and Democrat.

The world has dramatically changed over the last decade with the rise of the internet as the main source of communication. Generations have come to voting age and are far more likely to have liberal views that make it difficult to vote for conservative parties. The country is seeing an influx of minority groups and the baby boomers are entering their elderly years, eventually fading out. Political concepts are shifting, the country will no longer allow this back and forth two party system like they have for the last 80 years.



Before the PS3 everyone was nice to me :(

Didn't his room mate in college hang himself because he bullied so much by him for being gay?



In 2009 after Obama won everyone against him predicted doom and gloom. According to many the USA would no longer be around in 3 or 4 years. He would have destroyed it.

Watching republican voters respond to Tuesday's win it has now changed to "we are no better off than we were four years ago". This is high praise indeed.

I'd rather a Romney win (as an outsider) but that's another story.

How the US has changed. My grandfather lived and worked there for a few years in the fifties and one of the things that he noted in his diary was that Americans would go to the polls and vote for a President but most would generally get behind and support either candidate that won. This he wrote was a major strength of America. The "we stand together as the greatest nation" factor.

Now...well it sure as changed. Without that cohesion as was in the fifties a country is sure to suffer.



pokoko said:
"Obama is for turning us into a socialist country."

I don't understand. We are a capitalist country through and through. Are you saying Obama is going to change our economic system? How, when corporations pretty much run the United States? I don't see how that's even close to possible.

Also, as far as the recovery goes, it makes little difference who is President. Congress is divided and very little would get done either way.


Old meme is old, but good GOD, it's deserved.



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Chark said:

I felt Romney was a terrible choice for the Republican party. Then again, who wasn't? The party is going through a schism and while they were trying to retain their command on the population so that they have a chance of winning an election they needed some well tailored candidate that could attract the new vocal extreme conservatives and provide a level of moderation. Of course that's kind of hard to do and while everyone felt that Romney, a strongly moderate republican, would be the most likely person to beat Obama under normal circumstances.

With right extremism they risked loosing the election so the Republican party fought hard to find another suitable candidate. After that not panning out it went back to Romney, but in order to appease the new constituency Romney had to "appear" more conservative than he actually was. Which is why he ran a campaign full of lies, ambiguity, and switching positions. It was a rough campaign but it kept the extreme right around, but not enough of the moderate in order to win the election as that group became more disgusted with the way the campaign was run.

Essentially the Republican party prevented the emergence of a conservative third party, the Tea Party. While still a pseudo party, they never really formed in the way they could have in the Republican party wasn't holding on to their constituents for dear life. The thing is though, the Republican party could very well be on its way out anyway, especially after loosing this election. Sometime, maybe not next election, maybe not the election after that, but there is a good chance that Texas will become a Democratic state and that will make it ever so difficult for a Republican to be elected as president. While that in itself won't destroy the party per se but it will shift the political climate. Unless the Republicans adapt to the new demographic of the country, of course. There still is the extreme right movement though, and there might still be a chance for a sustainable multi party situation.

Of course things could always change with the democratic party and there is always the factor of large sums of money in our election process.

It's not going to be Texas, but demographic shifts are going to dissolve much of the rest of the Solid South and Interior West. North Carolina went for Obama in 2008, a taste of the future. Colorado, New Mexico, and Nevada have fallen. Arizona will go next. Even Georgia has a chance.



Monster Hunter: pissing me off since 2010.

Instant gratification...
You seriously expect to change the disaster that all the world is in whithin 4 years without the complete backup that is needed to make changes.
We all need to bleed, some harder than others. It'll probably take another decade to make the economy somewhat healthy again. No Republican or Democrat can change that in 4 years or less.

Personally i think Romney would have hurt America more but we'll never know.
In 4 years we can celebrate your first female President so you better brace yourselves now ;P



SamuelRSmith said:

Old meme is old, but good GOD, it's deserved.

Well, crony capitalism is a form of capitalism. And Obama isn't going to do anything to change it. So he's right, even if he didn't mean to be.



At least we already know who will win next year's Nobel Peace price.



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badgenome said:
SamuelRSmith said:

Old meme is old, but good GOD, it's deserved.

Well, crony capitalism is a form of capitalism. And Obama isn't going to do anything to change it. So he's right, even if he didn't mean to be.


Crony capitalism is to capitalism what welfare is to charity.