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Forums - Politics Discussion - The bank HSBC has had ties with al Qaeda financers who assisted with 9/11 attack

All of that is bullsh!t. The USA government is responsible of 9/11, so they can justify their "war against terror".



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Heavenly_King said:
All of that is bullsh!t. The USA government is responsible of 9/11, so they can justify their "war against terror".

Do you also want to tie the "war on drugs" into this also, stating that HSBC is actually a U.S government covert organization, because HSBC also has been busted for money laundering for drug dealers.



Fine the bank and then what?
Why not jail or execute the bankers involved and confiscate all the assets?
When rewards' much higher than the risk, it's going to keep happening.



Galaki said:
Fine the bank and then what?
Why not jail or execute the bankers involved and confiscate all the assets?
When rewards' much higher than the risk, it's going to keep happening.

This is equivalent to implementing the death penalty for shoplifting.

Yes, it discourages the crime. But it's extremely disproportionate.

Maybe I don't understand what the article is saying, but is providing services to one 9/11 hijacker the same as assisting with the 9/11 attack?



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Kantor said:
Galaki said:
Fine the bank and then what?
Why not jail or execute the bankers involved and confiscate all the assets?
When rewards' much higher than the risk, it's going to keep happening.

This is equivalent to implementing the death penalty for shoplifting.

Yes, it discourages the crime. But it's extremely disproportionate.

Maybe I don't understand what the article is saying, but is providing services to one 9/11 hijacker the same as assisting with the 9/11 attack?

Sounds to me like they knowingly providing services to terrorists. That's not anywhere close to the severity of shoplifting. Unless I read it wrong.



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Kantor said:
Galaki said:
Fine the bank and then what?
Why not jail or execute the bankers involved and confiscate all the assets?
When rewards' much higher than the risk, it's going to keep happening.

This is equivalent to implementing the death penalty for shoplifting.

Yes, it discourages the crime. But it's extremely disproportionate.

Maybe I don't understand what the article is saying, but is providing services to one 9/11 hijacker the same as assisting with the 9/11 attack?

The bank had ties to financiers that assisted the terrorists who did 9/11.  

As for as comparing what people did being equivalent to shoplifting, the penalty is arguably to extreme, but the crime you said is far less severe than it what it was.  Do you consider what Madoff did merely shoplifting?  Wiping out life savings of people, tanking the economy causing people to go in a downward spiral is far beyond shoplifting.

Go look at the fallout.  If it wasn't so bad, there wouldn't be fallout.



richardhutnik said:
Kantor said:
Galaki said:
Fine the bank and then what?
Why not jail or execute the bankers involved and confiscate all the assets?
When rewards' much higher than the risk, it's going to keep happening.

This is equivalent to implementing the death penalty for shoplifting.

Yes, it discourages the crime. But it's extremely disproportionate.

Maybe I don't understand what the article is saying, but is providing services to one 9/11 hijacker the same as assisting with the 9/11 attack?

The bank had ties to financiers that assisted the terrorists who did 9/11.  

As for as comparing what people did being equivalent to shoplifting, the penalty is arguably to extreme, but the crime you said is far less severe than it what it was.  Do you consider what Madoff did merely shoplifting?  Wiping out life savings of people, tanking the economy causing people to go in a downward spiral is far beyond shoplifting.

Go look at the fallout.  If it wasn't so bad, there wouldn't be fallout.

We weren't talking about Madoff. Madoff is a scumbag. Still probably not worthy of the death penalty though, just life imprisonment. If you have the death penalty, you do have to keep it for the most severe crimes (Breivik, Holmes, Bin Laden and so on).

A lot of this seems very vague to me.

What was the nature of these "ties"? Were there senior executives tied to the financiers? Does being tied mean that they would meet up for coffee every week or that they once had a meeting four years ago?

How did the financiers "assist" the terrorists? Did they know what was going to happen? How much money did they provide? Did they have an ideological reason for doing this?

This whole story needs a lot more context.



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Kantor said:
richardhutnik said:
Kantor said:
Galaki said:
Fine the bank and then what?
Why not jail or execute the bankers involved and confiscate all the assets?
When rewards' much higher than the risk, it's going to keep happening.

This is equivalent to implementing the death penalty for shoplifting.

Yes, it discourages the crime. But it's extremely disproportionate.

Maybe I don't understand what the article is saying, but is providing services to one 9/11 hijacker the same as assisting with the 9/11 attack?

The bank had ties to financiers that assisted the terrorists who did 9/11.  

As for as comparing what people did being equivalent to shoplifting, the penalty is arguably to extreme, but the crime you said is far less severe than it what it was.  Do you consider what Madoff did merely shoplifting?  Wiping out life savings of people, tanking the economy causing people to go in a downward spiral is far beyond shoplifting.

Go look at the fallout.  If it wasn't so bad, there wouldn't be fallout.

We weren't talking about Madoff. Madoff is a scumbag. Still probably not worthy of the death penalty though, just life imprisonment. If you have the death penalty, you do have to keep it for the most severe crimes (Breivik, Holmes, Bin Laden and so on).

A lot of this seems very vague to me.

What was the nature of these "ties"? Were there senior executives tied to the financiers? Does being tied mean that they would meet up for coffee every week or that they once had a meeting four years ago?

How did the financiers "assist" the terrorists? Did they know what was going to happen? How much money did they provide? Did they have an ideological reason for doing this?

This whole story needs a lot more context.

Bank make money off of activities that led to the 9/11 attack.  They also happened to have made money money laundering for drug lords.  In short, activites that are illegal and immoral contributed to the bottom line.  These activites, which they made money off of, resulted in innocent citizens dying.  Please explain how this equates with shoplifting.  



You have any proof to back up these serious allegations ? It seems to me that the Saudi Arabian government doesn't care enough to bring these guys to justice even though they're clearly evil people.

These allegations of this bank having terrorist ties is based on a US senate report. So I guess it must be true.

A terrorist had a bank account there ? I suppose whatever bank held an account for the person who killed people at the Dark Knight Rises premiere must be "Actively funding the public shooting of random people"



richardhutnik said:
Kantor said:

We weren't talking about Madoff. Madoff is a scumbag. Still probably not worthy of the death penalty though, just life imprisonment. If you have the death penalty, you do have to keep it for the most severe crimes (Breivik, Holmes, Bin Laden and so on).

A lot of this seems very vague to me.

What was the nature of these "ties"? Were there senior executives tied to the financiers? Does being tied mean that they would meet up for coffee every week or that they once had a meeting four years ago?

How did the financiers "assist" the terrorists? Did they know what was going to happen? How much money did they provide? Did they have an ideological reason for doing this?

This whole story needs a lot more context.

Bank make money off of activities that led to the 9/11 attack.  They also happened to have made money money laundering for drug lords.  In short, activites that are illegal and immoral contributed to the bottom line.  These activites, which they made money off of, resulted in innocent citizens dying.  Please explain how this equates with shoplifting.  

Those are all things that Al Rajhi did, not HSBC. I don't see why HSBC should be punished for them.



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