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Apparently Paul Ryan's support for Ayn Rand's views has been revoked, after I guess getting a number of individuals in the Catholic Church rebuking him for what they saw as his support for it.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/04/26/under-catholic-pressure-paul-ryan-backs-away-from-rand-objectivism/

Representative Paul Ryan (R-WI), when faced with a letter of condemnation by 90 Catholic faculty members at Georgetown University, has abruptly decided to back away from his famous endorsement of the works of controversial author Ayn Rand and her philosophy of “Objectivism.”  The congressman, who is scheduled to speak at the Catholic university today, is now emphasizing Christian philosophers and the writings of Pope Benedict XVI as the true exemplars of his world view over Russian émigré and atheist Rand.

National Review profile from early Thursday said, “‘I reject her philosophy,’ Ryan says firmly. ‘It’s an atheist philosophy. It reduces human interactions down to mere contracts and it is antithetical to my worldview. If somebody is going to try to paste a person’s view on epistemology to me, then give me Thomas Aquinas,’ who believed that man needs divine help in the pursuit of knowledge. ‘Don’t give me Ayn Rand,’ he says.”

 

Where it was spin or not (he says his support was an urban legend) it is now that he comes out in opposition.  Here was Ryan in a campaign, speaking how Rand offers moral basis for Capitalism, in a campaign spot he did:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmW19uoyuO8



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Likely just flopping as part of the veepstakes. At least he used to be honest about how modern GOP fiscal programs have nothing to do with Christianity

Thanks for making voice acting an a-list pastime.

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Here is Rand on Objectivism in an interview with Mike Wallace:



Mr Khan said:
Likely just flopping as part of the veepstakes. At least he used to be honest about how modern GOP fiscal programs have nothing to do with Christianity

The GOP does attempt to wrap himself in the name of Jesus though.



richardhutnik said:
Mr Khan said:
Likely just flopping as part of the veepstakes. At least he used to be honest about how modern GOP fiscal programs have nothing to do with Christianity

The GOP does attempt to wrap himself in the name of Jesus though.

So do the Dems, when it suits them (welfare, Obamacare, military adventurism, etc). Obama invokes Jesus more than Bush ever did.



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badgenome said:
richardhutnik said:
Mr Khan said:
Likely just flopping as part of the veepstakes. At least he used to be honest about how modern GOP fiscal programs have nothing to do with Christianity

The GOP does attempt to wrap himself in the name of Jesus though.

So do the Dems, when it suits them (welfare, Obamacare, military adventurism, etc). Obama invokes Jesus more than Bush ever did.

Which is why i find it funny so many liberals I know think he's a secret atheist. 

He's extremely christian.

Heck he expanded Bush's faith based initatives when most liberals were calling for the plan to be canceled.



Kasz216 said:
badgenome said:
richardhutnik said:
Mr Khan said:
Likely just flopping as part of the veepstakes. At least he used to be honest about how modern GOP fiscal programs have nothing to do with Christianity

The GOP does attempt to wrap himself in the name of Jesus though.

So do the Dems, when it suits them (welfare, Obamacare, military adventurism, etc). Obama invokes Jesus more than Bush ever did.

Which is why i find it funny so many liberals I know think he's a secret atheist. 

He's extremely christian.

Heck he expanded Bush's faith based initatives when most liberals were calling for the plan to be canceled.

That is actually kind of funny. Liberals think he's an atheist, conservatives think he's a muslim.



Thanks for making voice acting an a-list pastime.

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Kasz216 said:

Which is why i find it funny so many liberals I know think he's a secret atheist. 

He's extremely christian.

Heck he expanded Bush's faith based initatives when most liberals were calling for the plan to be canceled.

Yeah, he's basically a walking Rorschach test. What's strange is how his most fervent supporters apparently think that the guy is a total, disingenuous piece of shit, moreso than even his biggest detractors do. He's too smart to really believe in that religion stuff, so he's just lying to win over the rubes because so many people would never vote for an atheist! He's totally for gay marriage, but he has to pretend like he's not for the sake of political expediency! Sure, he's got the DEA raiding dispenseries and is deporting more people than Bush but he's totally gonna legalize marijuana and fight for immigration reform in his second term, just you wait!

It's an extremely peculiar line of reasoning, and may actually be even stupider than the "Damn, Obama's so cool, did you see him pump hug Jimmy Fallon?" school of thought. I can understand that some people aren't very sophisticated and are basically voting for a celebrity, but the idea of voting for a guy who would make people suffer because it's okay since he's opposed to doing it in his heart of hearts is just fucking weird.



Paul who?

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This is weird.  The discussion was about Paul Ryan, who is consider one of the core Republicans pushing GOP agenda, and Objectivism, and then suddenly Obama comes up and is the core of the discussion?  What is this?  Don't want to have focus somewhere, so discuss Obama?

 

This is absurd.  The answer to a discussion regarding one political party can't be, "But so is the other side..." and the point is what, that it is right or something?  The Democratic party hardly does the same level of wrapping itself, and hasn't tried to court the Evangelical vote.  Jesus comes out sometimes, but not in the same way as the GOP side.  

 

Put the focus back on the issues discussed at least, like Objectivism.  I see people express it in various forms on here.  Now would be a good place to defend it or refute it actually.  You know, like show how it actually is validated by Christianity.  And focusing on this would be helpful, because it looks like the GOP has had to tone down the Rand cheerleadering.  It could become a wedge issue.  You actually see it with Paul Ryan, and you have others trying to play it up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0TxCWbTqz9s