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d21lewis on 14 April 2012
homer said:
Sometimes I wish a strong leader would rise and cleanse the world of such filth.


This what that kind of thinking will lead to. 

The rest of my post doesn't even pertain to your comment, homer.  Just some things I've been thinking since this thread began.

You know it's been said before but there's good and bad in all races.  As a jailer, one of the first inmates I ever got to know was a white guy name Lloyd that shot a black guy named Reginald (aka Disco) in the face and killed him.  There was no uproar or anything.  I never saw it as anything racial.  Just a case of a bad guy killing another guy.  We place these labels on things but in the end, it's just bad people doing bad things. 

If it were me in the place of that white guy, they would have done the same thing, no doubt about it.  All they were looking for is somebody that doesn't belong and was an easy victim.  They found him.  If that guy had been acting like Eminem from 8-Mile, he wouldn't have had any trouble and he probably would have gotten laid.  There are some bad people in this world and when they are surrounded by other like-minded individuals that boost them up, the result is always ugly.

I go on youtube and see how many anonymous users think that bad people are so bad.  That you can't seperate the good blacks from the bad (which applies to all races, really) and other nonsense like that.  That we belong in Africa or that we're some sort of wild animals or something.  I don't like how a minority taints the public's perception of the entire race.  The vast majority of black people I know are hard working, honest, proud, and very religious.  Of course you have your knuckleheads that get all of the attention.  It sucks.  But at the same time, the public seems to embrace our athleticism, style of dress, our music, our "cool", our comedy, and (in the case of many females I've encountered), our penis.  You can't just condemn all of the bad along with the good.



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thismeintiel on 14 April 2012
d21lewis said:
thismeintiel said:

 Unfortunately, in this case, I'm not sure the police did do their job.  I've done a "hold for investigation" for 72 hours with a lot less than what they had to go on.  We don't know what the police had.  We don't know what photos were taken, what forensics were done, what blood spatter was recorded, etc.  All we know is the tainted picture painted by the media.  I do know from experience that, if there's a dead body, the investigation has to be REALLY thorough.  I've had investigators tell me to drop a case because the odds were against me winning in court and I still pursued them because I felt I was right.  I've never had one fall apart on me (usually because the offender pled guilty).  Maybe the arresting officer (and I did actually look at the police report--he did have charges that would have stuck had he pursued them) didn't have the balls to stick to his guns.  Also, the media reports that it WAS NOT Zimmerman yelling for help on the audio: http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/04/02/forensics-experts-zimmerman-was-not-screaming-for-help-in-911-call/

I just took out myoriginal post so I wouldn't have such a long post.  You are right that we don't know all of the evidence the police have, but I do know it was wasn't enough for the original prosecutor to think he could press any charges against Zimmerman.  Either way, we will get to know all the evidence when this goes to court.  And you may want to read up on those "experts."  The police already asked Trayvon's father if the voice on the 911 call was Trayvon's and he said no.  Trayvon's brother said he wasn't sure whose voice it was in an interview.  We apparently have 2 eye witnesses that have stated it was Zimmerman calling for help.  It was only recently that Trayvon's mom has said it is definitely Trayvon calling for help.

As for the media, from what I've read, they had no interest in this story.  It wasn't until over a week had passed and some major network got ahold of the story because the family wouldn't just let the story die on Florida's local news networks.  When it hit the mainstream, things went into overdrive.  They painted the picture of a babyface Martin just like you said.  I still don't know how big Martin and Zimmerman were.  Their height and weight seem to fluctuate every day!  NBC edited a 911 phone call, CNN was running that "Fucking coon" (Who the hell says "Coon" in this day and age?).  And made varying remarks about the existence/nonexistence of a head wound.  I'm sure that, if there was a wound on Zimmerman, there's a ton of documentation.  We just have to wait until court.  Zimmerman was reported to have had a broken nose and other injuries, too.  We'll see.

I have heard varying stats on the two, as well.  However, the police reports say that Trayvon was 6'0" and 160 lbs. at the time of his death.  At his booking, Zimmerman was 5'8" and 185 lbs.  So it looks like Zimmerman had 25 lbs. on Trayvon, while Trayvon had 4" on Zimmerman.  I did find an enhanced pic of Zimmerman's wound.

I learned a long time ago not to fully trust the media.  Simple things like editing a picture to make people look more sinister and jumping to false conclusions (Duke Lacrosse Team) have ruined my view of them.  Somewhere between Zimmerman's story, Trayvon's dead body, the police investigation, and the eye witness accounts is the truth.  Zimmerman didn't wake up and say, "I'm gonna kill me a black guy." and then found a sweet and innocent Trayvon and decide to kill him.  Trayvon Martin didn't say, "Why is this guy following me from the store.  I'm going to kill him!" and then just assault Zimmerman.  We just don't know what happened.  We just have these two guys--neither have ever been charged but both have skeletons in their closet--of different races and one guy killed the other.  The only evidence I believe beyond a shadow of a doubt at this point is the unedited 911 tapes.  It's Zimmerman's words, and nothing else, that make me feel he's at fault here.  Glad I never had to work a case like this one!!

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Lol, I'm surprised we didn't see this pic circulating at first.

As far as the 911 call goes, after listening to it again it's obvious to me that Zimmerman stopped following Trayvon when he was told to.  He no longer sounds out of breath.  It's also obvious to me that in the 1:57 between Trayvon beginning to run and Zimmerman ending his 911 call, Trayvon could have made it to the house he was staying at and been inside.  This is a very interesting read.



 

badgenome on 14 April 2012
d21lewis said:

If it were me in the place of that white guy, they would have done the same thing, no doubt about it.

I highly doubt that. This video isn't called "helpless black thugs beaten/stripped naked by black super cop".



shotlock on 14 April 2012

Im African american, or black (i hate that term.)
I have found recently African americans are being racist. It makes me sad after all are ancestors went through, they just wanna be duche bags about it.
Really sad.



Mummelmann on 14 April 2012

What a disgusting thing to do. Being pricks and beating and mugging someone is quite common all over the world, that's just a sad fact but what really, really gets to me is people standing idly by watching and others hooting and laughing while they're filming.
What's wrong with your head if you find this shit funny? Even in the slightest?
I laugh at drunk people myself sometimes, I admit it, when they're shambling around just trying to keep on their feet, walking into shit etc. That's a little bit funny.
But when an innocent guy with no way of protecting himself is mugged and assaulted by a large group of people with a cheering audience surrounding them, it shows how bad people can get.

Unfortunately, clips like these help nourish racism, it gives others an excuse and incentive to hate and punish. And so the cycle goes on and on.



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Play4Fun on 14 April 2012
PikaPikachu said:
If black people want to be treated better this crap isn't helping!!

what a joke.


What an utterly stupid comment.

Alot of stupid comments in this thread actually.