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disolitude said:
NintendoPie said:
Geez! Nokia keeps producing these really nice phones and is still failing compared to HTC (Not doing much better with %'s either), Samsung, and Motorola. Hopefully they'll pick up soon.

Motorola isn't doing very hot to be honest.

And HTC is barely clinging on profit margins. Back in 2010 HTC had 4 Windows phones, 3 Windows mobile devices and a slew of androids and they were booming. In 2012 so far they have announced 3 Android phones, 1 Windows phone 7.5 and 1 Windows Phone 8 coming in later in the year. Market is becoming a lot more competitive and everyone is re-focusing their efforts.

The truth about Nokia is that they probably need tho shed some weight. They have been a massive mobile player all these years but the times are changing. They sold 70 million dumbphones instead of 100 million anticipated which is a lot less but should be still more than anyone else.

Something Cell Phone companies also need to learn is exclusives are dumb. Just plain dumb. They get less chance of selling more of their smartphone and they anger the Cell Phone Providers and their customers when they don't get a certain phone. They need to make things more widely available. 



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NintendoPie said:
disolitude said:
NintendoPie said:
Geez! Nokia keeps producing these really nice phones and is still failing compared to HTC (Not doing much better with %'s either), Samsung, and Motorola. Hopefully they'll pick up soon.

Motorola isn't doing very hot to be honest.

And HTC is barely clinging on profit margins. Back in 2010 HTC had 4 Windows phones, 3 Windows mobile devices and a slew of androids and they were booming. In 2012 so far they have announced 3 Android phones, 1 Windows phone 7.5 and 1 Windows Phone 8 coming in later in the year. Market is becoming a lot more competitive and everyone is re-focusing their efforts.

The truth about Nokia is that they probably need tho shed some weight. They have been a massive mobile player all these years but the times are changing. They sold 70 million dumbphones instead of 100 million anticipated which is a lot less but should be still more than anyone else.

Something Cell Phone companies also need to learn is exclusives are dumb. Just plain dumb. They get less chance of selling more of their smartphone and they anger the Cell Phone Providers and their customers when they don't get a certain phone. They need to make things more widely available. 


Its the nature of the business due to carriers.

Nokia's job is to persue AT&T, Verizon, Sprint or whoever to buy their phones. Nokia would gladly make things available to everyone but the carriers don't want this. AT&T is getting beind the Lumia 900 only because this is something they can have and other carriers can't.

Carriers don't make a lot of sense to me to be honest. AT&T has ordered both HTC Titan 2 and Nokia Lumia in large quantities. HTC would not have made the Titan 2 if AT&T wasn't willing to sell it as they are the only carrier with that device. It makes absolutely no sense for AT&T to want the Titan 2. Sure the Titan was a good seller for them, but they have the Lumia 900 which they are paying 150 million to advertise themselves.Then there is a 199 dollar price VS 99 for the Lumia 900.

Lumia 900 marketing push + better hardware design + half the price = a lot of unsold Titan 2 inventory

It would have made so much more sense for Titan 2 to go to Verizon and Verizon, AT&T, Nokia, HTC and Microsoft would have been much better off for it. A 10 year old could figure this out, so I wonder why these companies couldn't put the 2 and 2 together...



disolitude said:
NintendoPie said:
disolitude said:
NintendoPie said:
Geez! Nokia keeps producing these really nice phones and is still failing compared to HTC (Not doing much better with %'s either), Samsung, and Motorola. Hopefully they'll pick up soon.

Motorola isn't doing very hot to be honest.

And HTC is barely clinging on profit margins. Back in 2010 HTC had 4 Windows phones, 3 Windows mobile devices and a slew of androids and they were booming. In 2012 so far they have announced 3 Android phones, 1 Windows phone 7.5 and 1 Windows Phone 8 coming in later in the year. Market is becoming a lot more competitive and everyone is re-focusing their efforts.

The truth about Nokia is that they probably need tho shed some weight. They have been a massive mobile player all these years but the times are changing. They sold 70 million dumbphones instead of 100 million anticipated which is a lot less but should be still more than anyone else.

Something Cell Phone companies also need to learn is exclusives are dumb. Just plain dumb. They get less chance of selling more of their smartphone and they anger the Cell Phone Providers and their customers when they don't get a certain phone. They need to make things more widely available. 

Lumia 900 marketing push + better hardware design + half the price = a lot of unsold Titan 2 inventory

 


Uh, a price cut Is usually a bad sign, desperation and all that, Nokia is trading profit margin for revenue, which is shrinking anyway



Turkish said:
I have a little book about Nokia from 13 years ago, they were so far ahead of their time, they were predicting that in the future we would have touch based phones, they even had some 3D photos of some "prototypes", if anyone is interested I can scan them.

I'm interested, actually.  Also, here's a pic of Mickey from Snatch just to sweeten the deal.  You guys are friends, right?

Are you familiar with those AT&T "You Will" commercials from the 90's?  I like looking at those, too.  Pretty impressive how they were able to predict the future.



d21lewis said:
Turkish said:
I have a little book about Nokia from 13 years ago, they were so far ahead of their time, they were predicting that in the future we would have touch based phones, they even had some 3D photos of some "prototypes", if anyone is interested I can scan them.

I'm interested, actually.  Also, here's a pic of Mickey from Snatch just to sweeten the deal.  You guys are friends, right?

Are you familiar with those AT&T "You Will" commercials from the 90's?  I like looking at those, too.  Pretty impressive how they were able to predict the future.

D'ya like dags?



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dallas said:
disolitude said:
NintendoPie said:
disolitude said:
NintendoPie said:
Geez! Nokia keeps producing these really nice phones and is still failing compared to HTC (Not doing much better with %'s either), Samsung, and Motorola. Hopefully they'll pick up soon.

Motorola isn't doing very hot to be honest.

And HTC is barely clinging on profit margins. Back in 2010 HTC had 4 Windows phones, 3 Windows mobile devices and a slew of androids and they were booming. In 2012 so far they have announced 3 Android phones, 1 Windows phone 7.5 and 1 Windows Phone 8 coming in later in the year. Market is becoming a lot more competitive and everyone is re-focusing their efforts.

The truth about Nokia is that they probably need tho shed some weight. They have been a massive mobile player all these years but the times are changing. They sold 70 million dumbphones instead of 100 million anticipated which is a lot less but should be still more than anyone else.

Something Cell Phone companies also need to learn is exclusives are dumb. Just plain dumb. They get less chance of selling more of their smartphone and they anger the Cell Phone Providers and their customers when they don't get a certain phone. They need to make things more widely available. 

Lumia 900 marketing push + better hardware design + half the price = a lot of unsold Titan 2 inventory

 


Uh, a price cut Is usually a bad sign, desperation and all that, Nokia is trading profit margin for revenue, which is shrinking anyway


No, this price is a subsidized price mening you have to sign a contract. AT&T is offering the phone for 99 dollars which they subsidize if you sign a 2 year contract and give them 1000s of dollars during this time. Or you can buy the phone for 450 with no contract. For a phone that cost 209 dollars to build, 450 is a healthy profit margin.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47021428/ns/technology_and_science-wireless/



disolitude said:

Its the nature of the business due to carriers.

Nokia's job is to persue AT&T, Verizon, Sprint or whoever to buy their phones. Nokia would gladly make things available to everyone but the carriers don't want this. AT&T is getting beind the Lumia 900 only because this is something they can have and other carriers can't.

Carriers don't make a lot of sense to me to be honest. AT&T has ordered both HTC Titan 2 and Nokia Lumia in large quantities. HTC would not have made the Titan 2 if AT&T wasn't willing to sell it as they are the only carrier with that device. It makes absolutely no sense for AT&T to want the Titan 2. Sure the Titan was a good seller for them, but they have the Lumia 900 which they are paying 150 million to advertise themselves.Then there is a 199 dollar price VS 99 for the Lumia 900.

Lumia 900 marketing push + better hardware design + half the price = a lot of unsold Titan 2 inventory

It would have made so much more sense for Titan 2 to go to Verizon and Verizon, AT&T, Nokia, HTC and Microsoft would have been much better off for it. A 10 year old could figure this out, so I wonder why these companies couldn't put the 2 and 2 together...

To be honest, Cell Phone Providers seem to be the stupidest parts of the business world. Seriously.





Microsoft should really just buy Nokia. They are a deal of the century at the moment due to low stock price.

Nokia is a company with $10.371 Billion in Liquidity (Liquidity = Current Assets - Current Liabilities) and looking at their stock, they are valued at $15.904 Billion (Market Cap). Just do the math; if Microsoft bought Nokia right now, they would only spend $5.600 Billion, and the rest they would receive back in cash from Nokia.

This is chump change and is less than they paid for Skype and half what google paid for Motorola, which is not even close to Nokia in portfolio and market penetration.

Do it Microsoft! You know you want to...



disolitude said:
dallas said:
disolitude said:
NintendoPie said:
disolitude said:
NintendoPie said:
Geez! Nokia keeps producing these really nice phones and is still failing compared to HTC (Not doing much better with %'s either), Samsung, and Motorola. Hopefully they'll pick up soon.

Motorola isn't doing very hot to be honest.

And HTC is barely clinging on profit margins. Back in 2010 HTC had 4 Windows phones, 3 Windows mobile devices and a slew of androids and they were booming. In 2012 so far they have announced 3 Android phones, 1 Windows phone 7.5 and 1 Windows Phone 8 coming in later in the year. Market is becoming a lot more competitive and everyone is re-focusing their efforts.

The truth about Nokia is that they probably need tho shed some weight. They have been a massive mobile player all these years but the times are changing. They sold 70 million dumbphones instead of 100 million anticipated which is a lot less but should be still more than anyone else.

Something Cell Phone companies also need to learn is exclusives are dumb. Just plain dumb. They get less chance of selling more of their smartphone and they anger the Cell Phone Providers and their customers when they don't get a certain phone. They need to make things more widely available. 

Lumia 900 marketing push + better hardware design + half the price = a lot of unsold Titan 2 inventory

 


Uh, a price cut Is usually a bad sign, desperation and all that, Nokia is trading profit margin for revenue, which is shrinking anyway


No, this price is a subsidized price mening you have to sign a contract. AT&T is offering the phone for 99 dollars which they subsidize if you sign a 2 year contract and give them 1000s of dollars during this time. Or you can buy the phone for 450 with no contract. For a phone that cost 209 dollars to build, 450 is a healthy profit margin.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47021428/ns/technology_and_science-wireless/

 

Or they give it awy for free:

http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/10/nokia-makes-lumia-900-free-to-all-att-customers/

Lets be honest here, if the 900 would have sold out we would have already seen a press release. Apple is doing it all the time with their every Iphone. The truth is that Nokia is doing everything they can to atract users, but the buzz is still not there, and millions are spent to advertise. Im not saying that its mission impossible for them to turn around and become a big player again ( or more exactly maintain their position), Im just saying its mission improbable.

Also, LG was never that big outside of Asia an the truth to be told, they arent making the best phones out there.

HTC is again refocusing on fewer models, their latest entries ( which came by the dozens) affected their profits, but it is expected to rebound.

At the end of the day the truth is that there are 3 big players that can win or loose everything: Samsung with Android, Apple with their Iphone/iOS line and Nokia with WP7/8... and as it stands only one of them is on shaky teritory.



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disolitude said:
Microsoft should really just buy Nokia. They are a deal of the century at the moment due to low stock price.

Nokia is a company with $10.371 Billion in Liquidity (Liquidity = Current Assets - Current Liabilities) and looking at their stock, they are valued at $15.904 Billion (Market Cap). Just do the math; if Microsoft bought Nokia right now, they would only spend $5.600 Billion, and the rest they would receive back in cash from Nokia.

This is chump change and is less than they paid for Skype and half what google paid for Motorola, which is not even close to Nokia in portfolio and market penetration.

Do it Microsoft! You know you want to...

I think that msft wants a lower risk option to spure greater sales than an acquisition.  If msft just went ahead and bought Nokia it would be like them putting just about all of their chips into the game.