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theprof00 said:
hunter_alien said:
And they are giving away free Lumias for At&T customers :)) My god, how could Nokia fall so hard? Why not go Android, like everyone else did, and save themselves? No, they went WP7, and now they are drowning in their worst decision ever. Dont get me wrong, Im not bashing the OS, its good, its slick, and its fast, but it will never have the marketshare of Android or iOS...

Supposedly, they were paid a very hefty amount of money to go WP7.


Yeah, accept 250million$ and die? Seriously, thats not a good enough reason. Even if MS pays that ammount for the next 3 quarters, its still not worth to destroy the biggest mobile phone manufacturer in the world. At one point they had well over 50% marketshare of ALL the mobile phones in the world. Now they have 23%, and they are sinking like a rock. Samsung an Apple are destroying them in the smartphone segment and soon they will be on par with the likes of Motorola, HTC, Sony and other small players. The feature phone segment is shrinkg every year, and by 2014 it will be less then 10% of the overal market. Nokia is dead if they remain WP7.



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hunter_alien said:
theprof00 said:
hunter_alien said:
And they are giving away free Lumias for At&T customers :)) My god, how could Nokia fall so hard? Why not go Android, like everyone else did, and save themselves? No, they went WP7, and now they are drowning in their worst decision ever. Dont get me wrong, Im not bashing the OS, its good, its slick, and its fast, but it will never have the marketshare of Android or iOS...

Supposedly, they were paid a very hefty amount of money to go WP7.


Yeah, accept 250million$ and die? Seriously, thats not a good enough reason. Even if MS pays that ammount for the next 3 quarters, its still not worth to destroy the biggest mobile phone manufacturer in the world. At one point they had well over 50% marketshare of ALL the mobile phones in the world. Now they have 23%, and they are sinking like a rock. Samsung an Apple are destroying them in the smartphone segment and soon they will be on par with the likes of Motorola, HTC, Sony and other small players. The feature phone segment is shrinkg every year, and by 2014 it will be less then 10% of the overal market. Nokia is dead if they remain WP7.


Mabey msft can sweet talk rim into joining the winPho crowd, lol



disolitude said:
dallas said:
That fee that msft charges to liscence is kicking "nope"ia's ass

Your streak of constantly being wrong when you post keeps on going...

Their shares fell because emerging markets did not buy Symbian and dumb phones as much as Nokia anticipated. Lumia and Windows phones are exceeding expectations and have sold over 2 million devices in the last 3 months.

Here is something you should read before you post again -

http://www.theverge.com/2012/4/11/2940632/nokia-q1-2012-financial-outlook-adjustment

 

 

2 million? You do realize that that is NOTHING. Its a nice number to throw around, but as it stand right now its  failure, and if it wont manage to penetrate in the US ( and judging by recent news from engadget they are not) it will fall hard. They believed that they are to big to fail, yet we see this every day. Again, nobody is bashing WP7 here, and I am the first opne to admit that its a good OS, but its not a popular one, and it wont be a popular one no matter how hard MS tries. Google and Apple has the smartphone OS segment cornered, and thats that.

 

W8 might bring something new, but lets be honest, while hundreds of devices get the latest android, there is almost NO buzz about it on the mobile devices front. There are some companies who throw in some experiments here and there, but Im not certain that it will work. All 3 major OSs are pretty damn good at this point, so its all about marketing, and in this case MS failed to trully get the manufacturers attention. And why enter this market, when Nokia will clearly steal the small thunder that there is left?



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hunter_alien said:
theprof00 said:
hunter_alien said:
And they are giving away free Lumias for At&T customers :)) My god, how could Nokia fall so hard? Why not go Android, like everyone else did, and save themselves? No, they went WP7, and now they are drowning in their worst decision ever. Dont get me wrong, Im not bashing the OS, its good, its slick, and its fast, but it will never have the marketshare of Android or iOS...

Supposedly, they were paid a very hefty amount of money to go WP7.


Yeah, accept 250million$ and die? Seriously, thats not a good enough reason. Even if MS pays that ammount for the next 3 quarters, its still not worth to destroy the biggest mobile phone manufacturer in the world. At one point they had well over 50% marketshare of ALL the mobile phones in the world. Now they have 23%, and they are sinking like a rock. Samsung an Apple are destroying them in the smartphone segment and soon they will be on par with the likes of Motorola, HTC, Sony and other small players. The feature phone segment is shrinkg every year, and by 2014 it will be less then 10% of the overal market. Nokia is dead if they remain WP7.

It's going to be over a billion. Nokia says in the several billions over the course of several years.



dallas said:
hunter_alien said:
theprof00 said:
hunter_alien said:
And they are giving away free Lumias for At&T customers :)) My god, how could Nokia fall so hard? Why not go Android, like everyone else did, and save themselves? No, they went WP7, and now they are drowning in their worst decision ever. Dont get me wrong, Im not bashing the OS, its good, its slick, and its fast, but it will never have the marketshare of Android or iOS...

Supposedly, they were paid a very hefty amount of money to go WP7.


Yeah, accept 250million$ and die? Seriously, thats not a good enough reason. Even if MS pays that ammount for the next 3 quarters, its still not worth to destroy the biggest mobile phone manufacturer in the world. At one point they had well over 50% marketshare of ALL the mobile phones in the world. Now they have 23%, and they are sinking like a rock. Samsung an Apple are destroying them in the smartphone segment and soon they will be on par with the likes of Motorola, HTC, Sony and other small players. The feature phone segment is shrinkg every year, and by 2014 it will be less then 10% of the overal market. Nokia is dead if they remain WP7.


Mabey msft can sweet talk rim into joining the winPho crowd, lol

 

 

Hell, at this point ther are in the same boat IMO :)) The difference? RIM still has a chance at atracting some niche business oriented crowd :)) How the mighty had fallen...



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I have a little book about Nokia from 13 years ago, they were so far ahead of their time, they were predicting that in the future we would have touch based phones, they even had some 3D photos of some "prototypes", if anyone is interested I can scan them.



hunter_alien said:
theprof00 said:
hunter_alien said:
And they are giving away free Lumias for At&T customers :)) My god, how could Nokia fall so hard? Why not go Android, like everyone else did, and save themselves? No, they went WP7, and now they are drowning in their worst decision ever. Dont get me wrong, Im not bashing the OS, its good, its slick, and its fast, but it will never have the marketshare of Android or iOS...

Supposedly, they were paid a very hefty amount of money to go WP7.


Yeah, accept 250million$ and die? Seriously, thats not a good enough reason. Even if MS pays that ammount for the next 3 quarters, its still not worth to destroy the biggest mobile phone manufacturer in the world. At one point they had well over 50% marketshare of ALL the mobile phones in the world. Now they have 23%, and they are sinking like a rock. Samsung an Apple are destroying them in the smartphone segment and soon they will be on par with the likes of Motorola, HTC, Sony and other small players. The feature phone segment is shrinkg every year, and by 2014 it will be less then 10% of the overal market. Nokia is dead if they remain WP7.

You're wrong. As the only WP7 (and WP8) OEM that is actively supporting the platform, they stand to benefit greatly due to lack of competition. They have already sold between 3-4 million Windows phones thus far without expanding in to China, India and USA (Lumia 900 just came out) and without going after the sub 200 dollar market. Basicly 2 windows phone 7 phones, sold in limited markets sold 3-4 million units in 5 months (Lumia 710 and 800).That really isn't too bad at all. Samsung Note sold 5 million units worldwide and everyone is saying its a massive success.

As the platform grows and Windows Phone marketshare increases, Nokia will have a huge advantage of being the best OEM associated witht he platform.

Look a LG, HTC, Sony and Motorolla books in the last year. They are all seeing losses or shrinking revenue in the mobile department and they all only support Android. Only companies that are making money in the mobile sector are Apple and Samsung.



theprof00 said:
hunter_alien said:
theprof00 said:
hunter_alien said:
And they are giving away free Lumias for At&T customers :)) My god, how could Nokia fall so hard? Why not go Android, like everyone else did, and save themselves? No, they went WP7, and now they are drowning in their worst decision ever. Dont get me wrong, Im not bashing the OS, its good, its slick, and its fast, but it will never have the marketshare of Android or iOS...

Supposedly, they were paid a very hefty amount of money to go WP7.


Yeah, accept 250million$ and die? Seriously, thats not a good enough reason. Even if MS pays that ammount for the next 3 quarters, its still not worth to destroy the biggest mobile phone manufacturer in the world. At one point they had well over 50% marketshare of ALL the mobile phones in the world. Now they have 23%, and they are sinking like a rock. Samsung an Apple are destroying them in the smartphone segment and soon they will be on par with the likes of Motorola, HTC, Sony and other small players. The feature phone segment is shrinkg every year, and by 2014 it will be less then 10% of the overal market. Nokia is dead if they remain WP7.

It's going to be over a billion. Nokia says in the several billions over the course of several years.

 

Yeah, thats good untill Nokia becomes so small that MS realises that they are pretty much wasting money. Do you have any info on how many units Nokia has to ship to get that payment? I doubt that MS will be funding it after it fails to break into the phone market. To be honest Nokia is a dinosaur. Samsung is pushing out phone after phone and the crowds are eating it up. The R&D process of Nokia is disastrous, they made such a fuss about the Lumia series, yet they barely managed to launch it in the US after sveral months that it was available elsewhere. I never understood what takes them so much. How can a company as small as HTC have almost day one worldwide releases and Nokia strugles to get out some models in the US months after they launched it in the EU or Asia



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hunter_alien said:
disolitude said:
dallas said:
That fee that msft charges to liscence is kicking "nope"ia's ass

Your streak of constantly being wrong when you post keeps on going...

Their shares fell because emerging markets did not buy Symbian and dumb phones as much as Nokia anticipated. Lumia and Windows phones are exceeding expectations and have sold over 2 million devices in the last 3 months.

Here is something you should read before you post again -

http://www.theverge.com/2012/4/11/2940632/nokia-q1-2012-financial-outlook-adjustment

 

 

2 million? You do realize that that is NOTHING. Its a nice number to throw around, but as it stand right now its  failure, and if it wont manage to penetrate in the US ( and judging by recent news from engadget they are not) it will fall hard. They believed that they are to big to fail, yet we see this every day. Again, nobody is bashing WP7 here, and I am the first opne to admit that its a good OS, but its not a popular one, and it wont be a popular one no matter how hard MS tries. Google and Apple has the smartphone OS segment cornered, and thats that.

 

W8 might bring something new, but lets be honest, while hundreds of devices get the latest android, there is almost NO buzz about it on the mobile devices front. There are some companies who throw in some experiments here and there, but Im not certain that it will work. All 3 major OSs are pretty damn good at this point, so its all about marketing, and in this case MS failed to trully get the manufacturers attention. And why enter this market, when Nokia will clearly steal the small thunder that there is left?


I already kind fo replied to this but I will do it anyway. They sold 3-4 million since Novemebr 2011. Over 1 million last quarter and over 2 million this quarter. This is with 2 phones and limited markets.

Look up how much other (non iphone)individual smartphones sell that are released worldwide...this isn't low at all.



hunter_alien said:
theprof00 said:
hunter_alien said:
theprof00 said:
hunter_alien said:
And they are giving away free Lumias for At&T customers :)) My god, how could Nokia fall so hard? Why not go Android, like everyone else did, and save themselves? No, they went WP7, and now they are drowning in their worst decision ever. Dont get me wrong, Im not bashing the OS, its good, its slick, and its fast, but it will never have the marketshare of Android or iOS...

Supposedly, they were paid a very hefty amount of money to go WP7.


Yeah, accept 250million$ and die? Seriously, thats not a good enough reason. Even if MS pays that ammount for the next 3 quarters, its still not worth to destroy the biggest mobile phone manufacturer in the world. At one point they had well over 50% marketshare of ALL the mobile phones in the world. Now they have 23%, and they are sinking like a rock. Samsung an Apple are destroying them in the smartphone segment and soon they will be on par with the likes of Motorola, HTC, Sony and other small players. The feature phone segment is shrinkg every year, and by 2014 it will be less then 10% of the overal market. Nokia is dead if they remain WP7.

It's going to be over a billion. Nokia says in the several billions over the course of several years.

 

Yeah, thats good untill Nokia becomes so small that MS realises that they are pretty much wasting money. Do you have any info on how many units Nokia has to ship to get that payment? I doubt that MS will be funding it after it fails to break into the phone market. To be honest Nokia is a dinosaur. Samsung is pushing out phone after phone and the crowds are eating it up. The R&D process of Nokia is disastrous, they made such a fuss about the Lumia series, yet they barely managed to launch it in the US after sveral months that it was available elsewhere. I never understood what takes them so much. How can a company as small as HTC have almost day one worldwide releases and Nokia strugles to get out some models in the US months after they launched it in the EU or Asia

Msft stopped supporting toshiba's hddvd bid, I'm sure that they will stop supporting Nokia soon as well.  Mabey google will be nice and buy some patents or whatever