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Badassbab said:
pezus said:

PS3 doesn't have 8 cores...


Strictly speaking it has 9.

1 PPE Main Core

8 SPE Satellite Processors

However 1 SPE is disabled to improve chip yields and 1 is reserved for the OS leaving 6 for gaming


SPEs aren't cores.



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Darc Requiem said:
Badassbab said:
pezus said:

PS3 doesn't have 8 cores...


Strictly speaking it has 9.

1 PPE Main Core

8 SPE Satellite Processors

However 1 SPE is disabled to improve chip yields and 1 is reserved for the OS leaving 6 for gaming


SPEs aren't cores.

Yes they are. They're just not completely general purpose.



Soleron said:
Viper1 said:
Viper1 said:
PowerPC A2 is a 16 core 65 watt CPU.

It's very feasible MS could use the CPU.

It's also one of the 2 CPU's believed to be in the Wii U (either Power7 or PowerPC A2).

I seem to have to quote myself because you guys keep going on and on about a 2 8 core Power7's when there already exists a 16 core PowerPC chip.

Yields. A sixteen core Power7 chip is enormous and would cost several hundred a chip wholesale. Two smaller chips can be a lot cheaper, see AMD Magny-Cours.

My point is 3 fold.

A) 2 8 core Power7 CPu's would be far too hot, far too big and far too expensive. 

B) A 16 core IBM chip already exists.  The PowerPC A2.

C) If you have 2 CPU's you don't necessarily count the cores together and call it a X core CPU.   You would say 2 X core CPU's.   The fact they speak in singuarl with regard the CPU suggests it's not a multiple CPU configuration which again leads back to B.



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Soleron said:
Darc Requiem said:
Badassbab said:
pezus said:

PS3 doesn't have 8 cores...


Strictly speaking it has 9.

1 PPE Main Core

8 SPE Satellite Processors

However 1 SPE is disabled to improve chip yields and 1 is reserved for the OS leaving 6 for gaming


SPEs aren't cores.

Yes they are. They're just not completely general purpose.

No, they are not cores.  Cores operate independantly, SPE's are not independant and their code is in order execution.  Think of them as a middle ground between a 2 thread operational CPU and a real second core.



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Darc Requiem said:
Badassbab said:
pezus said:

PS3 doesn't have 8 cores...


Strictly speaking it has 9.

1 PPE Main Core

8 SPE Satellite Processors

However 1 SPE is disabled to improve chip yields and 1 is reserved for the OS leaving 6 for gaming


SPEs aren't cores.

So one cannot classify calling the PS3 variant of the Cell CPU as a multi core processor? I don't think so.



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Badassbab said:
Darc Requiem said:


SPEs aren't cores.

So one cannot classify calling the PS3 variant of the Cell CPU as a multi core processor? I don't think so.

It can be classified as a multicore processor only so much that we don't have a seperate, more apt category to put it in.

The SPE's have some core like functions but they are not cores in the same sense that we calssify a CPU core.



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Viper1 said:
Soleron said:
Viper1 said:
Viper1 said:
PowerPC A2 is a 16 core 65 watt CPU.

It's very feasible MS could use the CPU.

It's also one of the 2 CPU's believed to be in the Wii U (either Power7 or PowerPC A2).

I seem to have to quote myself because you guys keep going on and on about a 2 8 core Power7's when there already exists a 16 core PowerPC chip.

Yields. A sixteen core Power7 chip is enormous and would cost several hundred a chip wholesale. Two smaller chips can be a lot cheaper, see AMD Magny-Cours.

My point is 3 fold.

A) 2 8 core Power7 CPu's would be far too hot, far too big and far too expensive. 

B) A 16 core IBM chip already exists.  The PowerPC A2.

C) If you have 2 CPU's you don't necessarily count the cores together and call it a X core CPU.   You would say 2 X core CPU's.   The fact they speak in singuarl with regard the CPU suggests it's not a multiple CPU configuration which again leads back to B.


A) Yes.

B) OK, did not know. That does make a lot of sense. Two smaller 8 core non-Power7 chips are also an option, so it could be consistent with that.

C) Definitely wrong. Go and look at Intel Core 2 Quad "Kentsfield". That was two CPU dies connected on package and NO ONE ever called it "two CPUs".



Viper1 said:
Soleron said:
Darc Requiem said:
Badassbab said:
pezus said:

PS3 doesn't have 8 cores...


Strictly speaking it has 9.

1 PPE Main Core

8 SPE Satellite Processors

However 1 SPE is disabled to improve chip yields and 1 is reserved for the OS leaving 6 for gaming


SPEs aren't cores.

Yes they are. They're just not completely general purpose.

No, they are not cores.  Cores operate independantly, SPE's are not independant and their code is in order execution.  Think of them as a middle ground between a 2 thread operational CPU and a real second core.


"When we talk about cores we will always be using the most agreed upon definition of cores – the integer logic." - AMD on why Bulldozer has 16 cores not 8

The SPE can independently execute integer code. Therefore it is a core. Intel Atom is in-order and is considered a CPU still. The dependent part you are talking about is that the scheduling and memory management is done by the PPE, but it's done by a shared decoder in Larrabee and Bulldozer and those were cores as well.



Soundwave said:

USC Fan at NeoGaf posted this, it seems to add up:

Putting all rumors together is looks like they a using 2 SOC. http://www.fudzilla.com/processors/i...ct-run-is-real

So you get 2x 8 core CPU with 7000 built at 32nm.

2Gb per soc for 4GB total ram

You get 16 cores and dual gpu

I'm guessing the dual GPU thing is just for the dev kits though, they'll use something else for the final version.


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DirtyP2002 said:
Soundwave said:

USC Fan at NeoGaf posted this, it seems to add up:

Putting all rumors together is looks like they a using 2 SOC. http://www.fudzilla.com/processors/i...ct-run-is-real

So you get 2x 8 core CPU with 7000 built at 32nm.

2Gb per soc for 4GB total ram

You get 16 cores and dual gpu

I'm guessing the dual GPU thing is just for the dev kits though, they'll use something else for the final version.


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