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theprof00 said:
Turkish said:
theprof00 said:
Discussion of numbers will go back up once the new generation releases.
Sales discussions really just aren't that fun without some real change happening in the arena, and ps3 had bluray, and everyone thought they knew what sales were and who was winning and who was losing etc etc.
Now that it's been 6 years in, people are starting to look at the sales arena and see that things really aren't going to change much.
PS3 is flirting with 360 sales, taking roughly 50k of the gap back every week, but at that pace it's not going to catch 360. I think people have pretty much come to accept that ps3 will be third place, 360 will be second and wii will be first.
Next gen, when there are three new consoles out, THEN we will have sales to argue about, but right now, it's pretty stale, because the sales are stale.


Not exactly, PS3 has been closing the gap ever since 2009, before PS3 Slim came out the gap was almost 9 million. Its now 2.8 million, its just a matter of time before PS3 catches up. And before you start that it wont matter, yes it does, people do care, for a failed doomed machine to turn the tables, people are already discussing if PS3 will reach 100 million in a couple of years.

Well don't be confused, I'd be excited if it happened, but last year ps3 outsold 360 almost the entire year, and then came Christmas.

This year, 360 is definitely going to get a price reduction and it's going to be the same shit all over again. PS3 had a price reduction last year, and now the gap in price is going to be exactly as it was before. This is not a good thing. Really ps3 is going to need that versus 13 to be exclusive and get that new god of war, and just something, because it isn't exactly going to blow the roof off with the lineup this year, imo.

PS3 is going to need a way to compete over Christmas, otherwise it's just going to be the same thing all over again.

VgChartz still has the PS3 as the best selling console of 2011.

Those numbers you read a few weeks ago are shipped numbers. Remember that VgChartz only tracks consumer sales(which is what counts).



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VGKing said:
theprof00 said:
Turkish said:
theprof00 said:
Discussion of numbers will go back up once the new generation releases.
Sales discussions really just aren't that fun without some real change happening in the arena, and ps3 had bluray, and everyone thought they knew what sales were and who was winning and who was losing etc etc.
Now that it's been 6 years in, people are starting to look at the sales arena and see that things really aren't going to change much.
PS3 is flirting with 360 sales, taking roughly 50k of the gap back every week, but at that pace it's not going to catch 360. I think people have pretty much come to accept that ps3 will be third place, 360 will be second and wii will be first.
Next gen, when there are three new consoles out, THEN we will have sales to argue about, but right now, it's pretty stale, because the sales are stale.


Not exactly, PS3 has been closing the gap ever since 2009, before PS3 Slim came out the gap was almost 9 million. Its now 2.8 million, its just a matter of time before PS3 catches up. And before you start that it wont matter, yes it does, people do care, for a failed doomed machine to turn the tables, people are already discussing if PS3 will reach 100 million in a couple of years.

Well don't be confused, I'd be excited if it happened, but last year ps3 outsold 360 almost the entire year, and then came Christmas.

This year, 360 is definitely going to get a price reduction and it's going to be the same shit all over again. PS3 had a price reduction last year, and now the gap in price is going to be exactly as it was before. This is not a good thing. Really ps3 is going to need that versus 13 to be exclusive and get that new god of war, and just something, because it isn't exactly going to blow the roof off with the lineup this year, imo.

PS3 is going to need a way to compete over Christmas, otherwise it's just going to be the same thing all over again.

VgChartz still has the PS3 as the best selling console of 2011.

Those numbers you read a few weeks ago are shipped numbers. Remember that VgChartz only tracks consumer sales(which is what counts).

I just meant that it like outsold 360 for the entire year, and then that 1.5 m or so lead was really starting to look like it was going to disappear.



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theprof00 said:
VGKing said:
theprof00 said:
Turkish said:
theprof00 said:
Discussion of numbers will go back up once the new generation releases.
Sales discussions really just aren't that fun without some real change happening in the arena, and ps3 had bluray, and everyone thought they knew what sales were and who was winning and who was losing etc etc.
Now that it's been 6 years in, people are starting to look at the sales arena and see that things really aren't going to change much.
PS3 is flirting with 360 sales, taking roughly 50k of the gap back every week, but at that pace it's not going to catch 360. I think people have pretty much come to accept that ps3 will be third place, 360 will be second and wii will be first.
Next gen, when there are three new consoles out, THEN we will have sales to argue about, but right now, it's pretty stale, because the sales are stale.


Not exactly, PS3 has been closing the gap ever since 2009, before PS3 Slim came out the gap was almost 9 million. Its now 2.8 million, its just a matter of time before PS3 catches up. And before you start that it wont matter, yes it does, people do care, for a failed doomed machine to turn the tables, people are already discussing if PS3 will reach 100 million in a couple of years.

Well don't be confused, I'd be excited if it happened, but last year ps3 outsold 360 almost the entire year, and then came Christmas.

This year, 360 is definitely going to get a price reduction and it's going to be the same shit all over again. PS3 had a price reduction last year, and now the gap in price is going to be exactly as it was before. This is not a good thing. Really ps3 is going to need that versus 13 to be exclusive and get that new god of war, and just something, because it isn't exactly going to blow the roof off with the lineup this year, imo.

PS3 is going to need a way to compete over Christmas, otherwise it's just going to be the same thing all over again.

VgChartz still has the PS3 as the best selling console of 2011.

Those numbers you read a few weeks ago are shipped numbers. Remember that VgChartz only tracks consumer sales(which is what counts).

I just meant that it like outsold 360 for the entire year, and then that 1.5 m or so lead was really starting to look like it was going to disappear.


But it didn't disappear, the fact is that the gap is closing down with each week, month, year. If you think PS3 will end up in 3rd place then you're betting on the wrong horse.

 

ps: With the WiiU coming out this year 360 sales will drop a lot in the Holiday period in the USA. I think those impressive 360 holiday sales will start to disappear with the WiiU launch.




Turkish said:


But it didn't disappear, the fact is that the gap is closing down with each week, month, year. If you think PS3 will end up in 3rd place then you're betting on the wrong horse.

 

ps: With the WiiU coming out this year 360 sales will drop a lot in the Holiday period in the USA. I think those impressive 360 holiday sales will start to disappear with the WiiU launch.

I hope you're right man. Halo 4 is this year, and I'm thinking there's gunna be a price drop, and I can just smell the kinect halo 4 100m$ advertising budget.



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PS3 just needs a cut to $199 WW and it will easily surpass the 360, especially since it's beginning to really do well in japan.....

PSV has something going for it, the fact the parts within the system are less than 200 bucks to make, so chances are sony are making a small profit on each system sold.....

 

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Aj_habfan said:
Carl2291 said:
I remember when the sales were at the heart of VGChartz.


Yea I remember every monday refreshing the main page, waiting for those "Others" numbers to show up and start a new week of sales. One region of hardware sales easily warranted 100+ replies. Now our worldwide numbers barely leg past that.

I'd like to think we're just bored of this generation of sales - I definitely don't have an urge to post in these threads anymore, especially because I know it will be full of Vita bashing and I don't want to have to defend it. But back then I knew it would be full of PS3 bashing and I still went in... hard to say what has happened.

it's a war of gamers only. the problem is that many take it to far, and user's like you and myself(and a few others) refuse to spend time repeating what we've been saying for the past 7 yr's. 

it simply gets old, and others would rather lurk then bother witht the needless banter(without the playful teasing as per its definition) being forced a pone them as they defend the console they support.

it simply in loose terms gets to the point to where it's not worth it.

 

OT: Vita Japan needs rpg's quick, Vita America needs COD, and maybe FIFA. Europe and Vita are a match made in heaven.



theprof00 said:

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Well don't be confused, I'd be excited if it happened, but last year ps3 outsold 360 almost the entire year, and then came Christmas.

This year, 360 is definitely going to get a price reduction and it's going to be the same shit all over again. PS3 had a price reduction last year, and now the gap in price is going to be exactly as it was before. This is not a good thing. Really ps3 is going to need that versus 13 to be exclusive and get that new god of war, and just something, because it isn't exactly going to blow the roof off with the lineup this year, imo.

PS3 is going to need a way to compete over Christmas, otherwise it's just going to be the same thing all over again.

PS3 kept part of the gap reduction it achieved through the year anyway.
Moreover, Kinect launch in 2010 and huge 2nd BF and Xmas boosts in 2011 fully justified the huge advertising and marketing investments MS made the last two years, but it's quite likely that next BF and Xmas, with XB360 finally declining, that investment won't be as big, while the price reduction will be just formal, as de facto XB360 has already long been available for far less than $150/150€.
We can expect XB360 to win Xmas shipments again anyway, as it sells extremely well and retailers will prefer to sell some more units during clearance sales that risking shortages for the holidays, but maybe this time they'll have enough sales data to avoid ordering SO many more than necessary.

 

Finally, about global weekly numbers, good 3DS and PS3 WW, meh the others, horrible DS, good PSV in Europe and XB360 in NA, and a curious diagonal pattern of the top 3, with 3DS dominating Japan, PS3 europe and XB360 North America. Still too early to tell around what numbers PSV will stabilize, but Sony must do something more in America and a LOT more in Japan for it.



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VGKing said:
italo244 said:
RazoDigimax said:
haxxiy said:
On the PSV defense, Sony is probably making more profit with the 113k units than Nintendo with the 3DS at 179k :P


I thought it was assumed that Sony is taking a loss on every system sold; that's why people say that Sony can't cut the price yet...

Taking a loss on every system sold, sure... But with the expensive memory cards that you HAVE to use? These "loss" became a lot low.

Is the economy really that bad that people can't afford a $20 memory card?

The Vita isn't an iPhone. Games aren't megabytes in size. Games are 2-4 gigs. Digital Distribution was never meant to be the main form of getting your games. 

Escape plan size - 800Mb and its one of the first PSN games on Vita... Do you think that someone can stay like 1 year with a 4Gb memory card? Ok, for those who will not download games, 4Gb is more than enough, and download games isnt the "main" thing in the market, i know that. What i want to say is that a lot of people bought the 18~32Gb card, and this make the Sony "loss" on every system sold dont hurt too much. And yes, i think these cards are expensive, especially in my country, US$ 35 for 4Gb card if we import,  US$ 55 if we buy on the gray market. They dont sell it oficially here, only with the bundle, wich cost almost US$ 900.



leo-j said:
PS3 just needs a cut to $199 WW and it will easily surpass the 360, especially since it's beginning to really do well in japan.....

PSV has something going for it, the fact the parts within the system are less than 200 bucks to make, so chances are sony are making a small profit on each system sold.....

The bold part is a good point... PS3 now is selling 20k per week over Wii... can it surpass Wii in Japan??? The gap today is ~4 million.



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Holy fuck! Was some PS2 games adjusted up? It now has 325 million sellers? :-O