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Plezbo said:
You see both parties have been hampered with Racism throughout their history. Instead of hurling crap at each other like the thieves that supposedly represent us in Congress and Senate want us to do, we should refrain from these generalizations and fear mongering and open up semi-polite discourse before America goes the way of all failed human empires.





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Frankly the democrats have a greater history with racism really...


Its just that recently it has shifted.



NinjaguyDan said:

The Republicans are the champions of freedom?

The freedom to marry who you want?

The freedom to use a safe, natural substance, either medicinally or recreationally?

The freedom for a woman to make her own reproductive decisions?

 

Or are you trying to feed me some bullshit?

By that last statement if you mean contraceptives , I have not heard any elected republican official try to ban contraceptives. That is a ridiculous argument ginned up by leftists to try to make it sound like elected officials on the right wants to ban contraceptives. I have never seen them advocating for that.

If by that statement you are also meaning abortion then I have a question for you:  When does that life inside the mothers womb become a human?




HappySqurriel said:
In my opinion, while the political left consistently enacts (or protects) legislation which makes the lives of marginalized individuals in visible minority groups worse the primary driving factor to this isn’t racism; it is the unfortunate side-effect of prioritizing good-intentions over outcomes. At the same time, the political right is constantly called racist because they are unwilling to abandon reason to endorse these well-intentioned poorly reasoned laws.

As it is constructed today, and isn't necessarily what was historically, is that you have the liberal side attemption to affect change collectively, for the said rights of individuals, based on certain collective attributes they have.  They attempt to systemically address this, so that individuals get what they want.  On the conservative side, they will end up privatizing everything, so that individuals moving in self interest, can advance their own causes and get what they want, even when doing this would cause groups with individuals with common attributes to suffer.   In both cases is the glorification of the individual.

What you have in the above video is a case of a hail mary pass, in hopes that that current realities get ignored.  This reality is that there has been a shift with the GOP as it is CURRENTLY is the basic home of white individuals who fear and are opposed to those who are different.  The GOP, for minorities, means "Jews" for the most part, eventhough you get token minorities in there.  These tokens operate under a delusional belief that they are immune to systemic and social values that cause people to be discriminated against.  Such individuals end up thinking, by gumption, they are just plain superior and thus don't need to worry about such things.  

This is the current reality of things.  In the past, the Democratic Party was the home of racists.  But now, it isn't as a rule.  



Allfreedom99 said:
NinjaguyDan said:

The Republicans are the champions of freedom?

The freedom to marry who you want?

The freedom to use a safe, natural substance, either medicinally or recreationally?

The freedom for a woman to make her own reproductive decisions?

 

Or are you trying to feed me some bullshit?

By that last statement if you mean contraceptives , I have not heard any elected republican official try to ban contraceptives. That is a ridiculous argument ginned up by leftists to try to make it sound like elected officials on the right wants to ban contraceptives. I have never seen them advocating for that.

If by that statement you are also meaning abortion then I have a question for you:  When does that life inside the mothers womb become a human?


Personhood is not a scientific thing, nobody can say that it scientifically occurs at a definite point. The right wing does want to limit access to reproductive health services - Romney just said that as president he would abolish planned parenthood entirely. He's the most moderate of the Republican candidates.



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Rath said:

Personhood is not a scientific thing, nobody can say that it scientifically occurs at a definite point. The right wing does want to limit access to reproductive health services - Romney just said that as president he would abolish planned parenthood entirely. He's the most moderate of the Republican candidates.


It's one thing to be for "reproductive health services". It's quite another to expect people to pay for it.

"My body, my rights, your money".



How can you compare the past Democrats and Republicans to the current ones? Some of those southern racist Democrats are now Republicans.

I find it quite disrespectful to compare Lincoln to these nutcrackers. 



 

        

Rath said:
Allfreedom99 said:
NinjaguyDan said:

The Republicans are the champions of freedom?

The freedom to marry who you want?

The freedom to use a safe, natural substance, either medicinally or recreationally?

The freedom for a woman to make her own reproductive decisions?

 

Or are you trying to feed me some bullshit?

By that last statement if you mean contraceptives , I have not heard any elected republican official try to ban contraceptives. That is a ridiculous argument ginned up by leftists to try to make it sound like elected officials on the right wants to ban contraceptives. I have never seen them advocating for that.

If by that statement you are also meaning abortion then I have a question for you:  When does that life inside the mothers womb become a human?


Personhood is not a scientific thing, nobody can say that it scientifically occurs at a definite point. The right wing does want to limit access to reproductive health services - Romney just said that as president he would abolish planned parenthood entirely. He's the most moderate of the Republican candidates.

That's not really true.

Sicence can tell you exactly when personhood happens.  So long as  you have a definition of personhood.

Really, based on that abortion can happen between never, and up to the age of two.

Really abortion is a much more interesting issue then the banal arguements that keep reappearing... conected to a lot of interesting issues.

As it is, most people on both sides have some huge contradictions in their stances because they don't put proper thought into it.

 

As for planned parenthood.  That seems more about cutting back on government services that don't pay for needs.



Kasz216 said:
Rath said:
Allfreedom99 said:
NinjaguyDan said:

The Republicans are the champions of freedom?

The freedom to marry who you want?

The freedom to use a safe, natural substance, either medicinally or recreationally?

The freedom for a woman to make her own reproductive decisions?

 

Or are you trying to feed me some bullshit?

By that last statement if you mean contraceptives , I have not heard any elected republican official try to ban contraceptives. That is a ridiculous argument ginned up by leftists to try to make it sound like elected officials on the right wants to ban contraceptives. I have never seen them advocating for that.

If by that statement you are also meaning abortion then I have a question for you:  When does that life inside the mothers womb become a human?


Personhood is not a scientific thing, nobody can say that it scientifically occurs at a definite point. The right wing does want to limit access to reproductive health services - Romney just said that as president he would abolish planned parenthood entirely. He's the most moderate of the Republican candidates.

That's not really true.

Sicence can tell you exactly when personhood happens.  So long as  you have a definition of personhood.

Really, based on that abortion can happen between never, and up to the age of two.

Really abortion is a much more interesting issue then the banal arguements that keep reappearing... conected to a lot of interesting issues.

As it is, most people on both sides have some huge contradictions in their stances because they don't put proper thought into it.

 

As for planned parenthood.  That seems more about cutting back on government services that don't pay for needs.

What I'm saying is that there  is no scientific definition of personhood.



richardhutnik said:

The GOP, for minorities, means "Jews" for the most part, eventhough you get token minorities in there.  These tokens operate under a delusional belief that they are immune to systemic and social values that cause people to be discriminated against.  Such individuals end up thinking, by gumption, they are just plain superior and thus don't need to worry about such things.  

This is the current reality of things.  In the past, the Democratic Party was the home of racists.  But now, it isn't as a rule.  

I'm not really sure what the first sentence is supposed to mean, but the rest of this is pretty enlightening as to how Richard Hutnik thinks: minorities who are Republicans are merely tokens who are operating under a delusion. And it's the Republicans who are racists.

Also, I'm pretty sure any non-white racist is likely to be a Democrat, or at least not a Republican for sure. And only Democrats can get away with open race-mongering.

This has been the Democrats' modus operandi from the very beginning. That they've become a little more diverse in their racism and have replaced the KKK with the SEIU as the military wing of their party really means nothing.