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Forums - Nintendo - Wii U App Store: How Nintendo will take Apple on at their own game

RolStoppable said:
The safest way to ruin a company is to focus on combating imaginary problems. The consumer of an Apple product is fundamentally different than the Nintendo consumer. The latter fully expects and accepts to pay more for games that in return are of higher quality.

The basic premise is that a Nintendo system is bought precisely because $1 games are not considered to be good enough to satisfy the needs of the gamer in question, therefore any efforts to get such games into Nintendo's eShops are a waste of time and money that would better be spent on other things.

I think this can not be overstated.

Yes, Nintendo will need to change to the new demands of the market that each generation of youth brings, but do not give up your unique value in the market (what makes you special to the current consumers you've won over).  This alone is a huge reason why NSMBW was forced to be a local multiplayer experience versus an online one - the two are VASTLY different, especially in the experience of a multiplayer 2d mario game.

This past vide game generation (the one we're in) has seen market growth beyond belief compared to any previous generation, and yet, suprise suprise, it has been an AMAZING 5 years for Apple.  Somehow Apple's app explosion has NOT eaten away at the current videogame market despite both growing.  This says a lot about how different the consumers and consumer expectations are for each platform.

Nintendo merely needs to do the minimum when it comes to adapting to this new generational market.  They simply need to show their face.



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It is, at best, a waste of time for Nintendo to try to compete with other companies on their terms.



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Nintendo should just do what Nintendo Does, other wise Apple will just wipe the floor with them.



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THis makes no sense, why would Ninty need to compete with the app store?? The Wii U is going to be a damn HOME console not even in the same category as Apple products. Angry Birds?? That crap has been available for every major device released this gen, with the exception of the WII and DS.

I dont see anything about MS or Sony combating the Apple store so why Ninty?? If anything all they have to do is make sure the online components dont suck like WiiWare and they will be just fine. Hell, it doesnt even have to be PSN good IMHO



spurgeonryan said:
What was the wii mostly? This is not to troll anything. It was a huge casual gamer system. What is the ipad and iphone game wise? It is big with the casual gamer. Not something that the PS3 and 360 really have to deal with as much as Nintendo does. So it seems to me that Nintendo on the casual side is in competition with Apple. Then on the hardcore, 1st part, 3rd party side they are in competition with the other two. Which seems like it will especially be the case with the Wii U and the 3DS.


THe iphone and ipads are not gaming systems at all. What??? Really??? Ones a phone and ones a tablet. People need phones and people like tablets and I promise you its not for the games. The games are just a side thing, no one is buying those products to play games. No one says "I need an Iphone to play Angry Birds".  Why do Ninty have to deal with Apple??? They are in the console buisness, not the phone or tablet buisness. It makes no sense.  The Wii U controller doesnt have anywhere near the functions of an actual tablet, i dont see people carrying that thing around with them to play, whatever small games the thing might be able to run. 



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Xbox Live offers the same feature (able to play app games). And look how far they got with it against Apple. Nowhere...

Yes XBLA and XBLIG are successful and have sufficient demand but its not affecting Apple in any way.



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spurgeonryan said:
So you think Nintendo is not worried about Apple. The tablet is the new controller because they think it will be wonderful and not because of Tablets. I do not use my tablet or phone for games, and I do not think Nintendo needs to worrytoo much about Apple. But I think Nintendo worries.


The only people at Nintendo who are worrying are the greedy stockholders who see dollars from Apple and their apps and want in on it.  The acutal Ninty game makers could care less, and that goes for MS and Sony. Any true game dev and publisher knows whats really going down



RolStoppable said:
spurgeonryan said:
What was the wii mostly? This is not to troll anything. It was a huge casual gamer system. What is the ipad and iphone game wise? It is big with the casual gamer. Not something that the PS3 and 360 really have to deal with as much as Nintendo does. So it seems to me that Nintendo on the casual side is in competition with Apple. Then on the hardcore, 1st part, 3rd party side they are in competition with the other two. Which seems like it will especially be the case with the Wii U and the 3DS.

Here's a simple exercise: Estimate how much money the average consumer has spent on gaming on the Wii, the 360, the PS3 and the iPad/iPhone/iPod Touch. Just in rough terms, you don't need to go into ultraspecific details or make longwinded assumptions.

Would total Hardware sales and total software sales, each multiplied by an average HW and SW price be acceptable?

Mind you how would you expect him to extimate Apple game App sales? And DL content on all main consoles? I'm interested in the exercise.



It's sad to think that some don't realize this basic fact.

What attracted consumers to Angry Birds and Farmville is very similar to what attracted consumers to Pokemon. It's affordable, it's addictive, it's viral. To think this kind of social effect has no impact on consumers' perception of Nintendo's offerings is denial at best.

While people can't play WiiU on the go, they can certainly play Angry Birds at home.

Having said all that, of course, Nintendo games have their own value that some customers will understand. But to say that none will come to choose Angry birds over Nintendo offerings in certain cases is absolute denial.



oniyide said:
spurgeonryan said:
What was the wii mostly? This is not to troll anything. It was a huge casual gamer system. What is the ipad and iphone game wise? It is big with the casual gamer. Not something that the PS3 and 360 really have to deal with as much as Nintendo does. So it seems to me that Nintendo on the casual side is in competition with Apple. Then on the hardcore, 1st part, 3rd party side they are in competition with the other two. Which seems like it will especially be the case with the Wii U and the 3DS.


THe iphone and ipads are not gaming systems at all. What??? Really??? Ones a phone and ones a tablet. People need phones and people like tablets and I promise you its not for the games. The games are just a side thing, no one is buying those products to play games. No one says "I need an Iphone to play Angry Birds".  Why do Ninty have to deal with Apple??? They are in the console buisness, not the phone or tablet buisness. It makes no sense.  The Wii U controller doesnt have anywhere near the functions of an actual tablet, i dont see people carrying that thing around with them to play, whatever small games the thing might be able to run. 


@bold. Really. And why is a tablet not for the games? Do you have any idea how many kids beg their parents to use their tablets/phones for the games? It's just common sense. Otherwise, who the hell is playing these massively popular games? Adults? Likely, but not mostly.