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fordy on 29 February 2012
Alby_da_Wolf said:
ebw said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:
sethnintendo said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:

"640kB should be enough for everybody"  (Bill Gates)


lol what year was that quote?  Late 80s or early 1990s?

Late '80s, I guess, and his die hard fans (and even he himself) have been trying for some time to pretend he never said it because the original source isn't on the net: but it can't be there, the Web didn't exist yet! He said it in an interview or a conference.   

A 1987 Macintosh had a maximum memory capacity of 20MB, so it is unlikely anyone would be saying this in the late '80s.  This sounds more like early '80s when the first MS-DOS machines were coming out.

640kB was for RAM, notHDD, but you're right anyway, it must have been early '80s, as in 1985 intel launched the 386 (although MS started using its 32bit quite later).

A little tidbit to add to that, not only was he talking about RAM, I believe he was talking about Conventional memory (which to this day still holds true to the DOS platforms. Even the last DOS platform in Windows 98 used 640KB Conventional memory. All other memory is class as either High Memory or Extended memory)



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Alby_da_Wolf on 29 February 2012
fordy said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:
ebw said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:
sethnintendo said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:

"640kB should be enough for everybody"  (Bill Gates)


lol what year was that quote?  Late 80s or early 1990s?

Late '80s, I guess, and his die hard fans (and even he himself) have been trying for some time to pretend he never said it because the original source isn't on the net: but it can't be there, the Web didn't exist yet! He said it in an interview or a conference.   

A 1987 Macintosh had a maximum memory capacity of 20MB, so it is unlikely anyone would be saying this in the late '80s.  This sounds more like early '80s when the first MS-DOS machines were coming out.

640kB was for RAM, notHDD, but you're right anyway, it must have been early '80s, as in 1985 intel launched the 386 (although MS started using its 32bit quite later).

A little tidbit to add to that, not only was he talking about RAM, I believe he was talking about Conventional memory (which to this day still holds true to the DOS platforms. Even the last DOS platform in Windows 98 used 640KB Conventional memory. All other memory is class as either High Memory or Extended memory)

Yes, I remember: some years later, due to limited funds available at the uni and not owning a PC yet, after having always programmed on UNIX, once I had to cope with that pesky memory management, I still hate it. Even people I know,  used to program on the Commodore 64, with its tiny 64kB, hated DOS memory management...



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ebw on 01 March 2012
Alby_da_Wolf said:
ebw said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:
sethnintendo said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:

"640kB should be enough for everybody"  (Bill Gates)


lol what year was that quote?  Late 80s or early 1990s?

Late '80s, I guess, and his die hard fans (and even he himself) have been trying for some time to pretend he never said it because the original source isn't on the net: but it can't be there, the Web didn't exist yet! He said it in an interview or a conference.   

A 1987 Macintosh had a maximum memory capacity of 20MB, so it is unlikely anyone would be saying this in the late '80s.  This sounds more like early '80s when the first MS-DOS machines were coming out.

640kB was for RAM, notHDD, but you're right anyway, it must have been early '80s, as in 1985 intel launched the 386 (although MS started using its 32bit quite later).

Ummm, I'm not trying to pick a fight or anything, but why do you assume I was referring to hard drives?

A Macintosh II, released March 1987, had an official RAM capacity of 20MB out of the box (1MB preinstalled).  Apparently there was an upgrade kit to boost this to 68MB, presumably by recognizing higher capacity SIMMs.  It must have cost a bloody fortune to max out the RAM in those days...

Nowadays, the Raspberry Pi has four times the RAM for $25 and is the size of a credit card.  That's progress :).



TomaTito on 01 March 2012
ebw said:

Nowadays, the Raspberry Pi has four times the RAM for $25 and is the size of a credit card.  That's progress :).

Did you pre-order? I'm still wondering if my "order" got through to RS or not.



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Alby_da_Wolf on 01 March 2012
ebw said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:
ebw said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:
sethnintendo said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:

"640kB should be enough for everybody"  (Bill Gates)


lol what year was that quote?  Late 80s or early 1990s?

Late '80s, I guess, and his die hard fans (and even he himself) have been trying for some time to pretend he never said it because the original source isn't on the net: but it can't be there, the Web didn't exist yet! He said it in an interview or a conference.   

A 1987 Macintosh had a maximum memory capacity of 20MB, so it is unlikely anyone would be saying this in the late '80s.  This sounds more like early '80s when the first MS-DOS machines were coming out.

640kB was for RAM, notHDD, but you're right anyway, it must have been early '80s, as in 1985 intel launched the 386 (although MS started using its 32bit quite later).

Ummm, I'm not trying to pick a fight or anything, but why do you assume I was referring to hard drives?

A Macintosh II, released March 1987, had an official RAM capacity of 20MB out of the box (1MB preinstalled).  Apparently there was an upgrade kit to boost this to 68MB, presumably by recognizing higher capacity SIMMs.  It must have cost a bloody fortune to max out the RAM in those days...

Nowadays, the Raspberry Pi has four times the RAM for $25 and is the size of a credit card.  That's progress :).

No, no fights needed  .-), I just misunderstood those 20MB you quoted for a typical HDD capacity of those days, I didn't remember the Mac II already had that maximum capacity at launch (although I perfectly remember too that Apple started making good use of 32bit addressing many years before MS). But hey, your posts underline even better than mine uncle Bill's shortsightedness!   



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Alby_da_Wolf on 01 March 2012
MrT-Tar said:

LOL!   

But hey, here is a random Japanese picture:

Puppy Maki!!!   



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A fart without stink is like a sky without stars.
TGS, Third Grade Shooter: brand new genre invented by Kevin Butler exclusively for Natal WiiToo Kinect. PEW! PEW-PEW-PEW!   


mike_intellivision on 02 March 2012
Mr Khan said:
Feh. They started making Super Meat Boy originally for WiiWare. Their sudden decision that the constraints within which they intended to work were too much has forever diminished Team Meat's reputation in my eyes


This. Between the mistatements on the file size for the eShop and the Binding of Issac issues, it appears to me that Team Meat is working to make Nintendo bad to keep itself in the news

While I certainly think that you can do a game in 40M, I can see how it causes problems and don't disagree that the size is too small. But to know the size, say you are doing something for WiiWare only, then change your mind is akin to the high school boy who asks one girl to the prom, sees another, asks her, and then dumps the first girl.  You would think the boy is a cad and would not trust him, which is how I think of Team Meat.

 

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