you are funny because even if your comparison would make sense you are wrong.

there are some restaurants with this concept and this works fine. most people are honest and pay a good price for the product if it is good. sure there are some assholes eating for free but most pay something and it's not less on average than the normal price would be.

So you feel good about yourself that you supported the industry less? Strange way to support a hobby you like. Also, can you make any shittier analogies? Call me when I can make a perfect copy of a Vita without depriving anyone of theirs.

you don't make more sense to be honest.

just because he didn't buy more than the people you know who are pirating doesn't mean that he wouldn't have bought less if he would pirate nor does this mean that the people you know woldn't have bought even more if they wouldn#t have the chance to pirate.

the only question ist, would they have bought the same, more or less games without pirating but your statement doesn't prove anything of that.

My point is that he has absolutely zero fucking evidence to back what he says up. At least there is a trend that people that pirate spend mroe money, which way the causation goes though is still anyone's guess. He doesn't even have evidence to back up his claim that piracy hurts an industry (which a few studies have shown it actually helps, jsut saying). In either case, his stance is laughable.

order meal
after trying it do you like it? if yes continue eating
was your server good? if yes tip, if not don't.
so yes it does work. just because you don't do it doesn't mean it doesnt happen.

You seem to have misunderstood me, I said "reading" reviews could help you decide, not that looking at numbers would do the trick.

Like you said yourself the number is of little importance these days, but actually reading still has value, especially since you may come across reviewers that do have a very similar taste to your own.Ofcourse just going by a single one won't do and neither does reading 3 "10/10 tis de best gaim evaa" kind of reviews, but selecting a good choice of criticising and praising reviews usually does give me a good understanding of a games strenght and weaknesses and the general gameplay experience.

Considering the investment of 40-60€ (I do buy some games used and I fully support online passes as long as they stay at 10€) the time spent to help me decide seems very reasonable an investment to me.

It's just a pathetic mith that piracy benefits the gaming industry, Of course it doesn't

Obviously you can cherry pick data and show that pirates on average buy games more often than the average internet user but that's only because most internet users don't play games. Any other conclusion is ridicilous.

I have been a pirate for decades (since the Commodore 64 days) and I've followed the buying habits of dozens of real life individuals around me and the trend is crystal clear - the more you pirate the less you pay. These guys who pirate spend the money they saved from not buying games on other stuff - better PC hardware, sports, on a car, travels, the movies, pizza and hamburgers, beer, the bar. For some of these individuals the notion of paying for media is ridiculous. They feel it's awkward to pay for something that is commonly regarded as free.

I know it's slightly different over there in the USA because you fear the coppers more but here in Europe no one is afraid of getting caught.

I love the absolutism shared by some of the people in this thread.

Nobody can declare anyone is wrong. That is the only absolute statement that can be said.

These are points of views and anyone who can't see that has fallen into the trap of one dimensional thinking that exists only from the perspective that supports their own beliefs. Key word being beliefs.

Disagree? Then a reply isn't even merited by myself or anyone with an opposing point of view.

Don't like the pay if you like the meal/service analogy? Someone pointed out that the ingredients that go into a meal are physical and thefore have inherent value, making the downloading of unlicensed materials not *immoral* as there is nothing physical being taken (immoral since in most of the countries in consideration, there's no question it's illegal) as opposed to say five fingering a physical copy of a game/app/movie/etc.

Try don't pay for a movie ticket (about $10) or maybe a concert ticket ($60) or a ski lift ticket ($100) or a seat at a major fight event ($350). Nothing physical removed, but any of them certainly have value.

Besides, it's not like anyone can't either rent a game or even buy a used copy at GameStop, which has a ridiculously loose return policy that essentially equates to free rentals if you want to really abuse it, and then return it.

People are going to do what they want to do and believe whatever they want to justify it. That's not even any of my business.

Just avoid the myopic limited perspective all encompassing statements in the future.

People are going to believe what they want to believe and cherry pick any supporting information that validates those beliefs.

And yes, I've known enough people over the years who won't bother paying for anything once they can get it for free to say that this is fairly normal, even sensible if not legal behavior.

And I don't think it's that much different in the US either.

uhmmm i said you are wrong because there are restaurants here in europe which give you the opportunity to eat it for free or pay whatever you want and this works very good and you said "doesn't work in reality"  so no clue what you are replying to me but it's just a fact that it works in these restaurants.

and that's why you don't have to say me that i can't say "you are wrong" because it's very simple, you are wrong with that. it's like i would stand in front of a mcdonalds saying "they don't sell something to eat at mcdonalds" just to reply to someone asking if i'm curious "you can't say i'm wrong"

but i'm fine with that... it's your opinion and no one can say that this is wrong, not even the restaurants who have those concepts could say that to you are wrong because you can never be declared as wrong. and if someone is doing this he's just thinking one dimensional, ha!

you can say it in a philosopical way like you want but you are still wrong with your thinking that a concept in a restaurant where you can eat for free or pay if you liked it doesn't work in reality.

good night to all! (not sure if there is something like that but it's my BELIEF)

btw i like your new comparison with ski ticket or cinema ticket because this just proves the difference to a meal.

eating meal: restaurant had costs for this meal

going to a concert for free even when the ticket costs $60: the concert does still cost exactly the same to host

and most funny thing is, that i'm totally against pirating, i just said that your restaurant example is wrong because there are some with the "pay only if you want" concept. i BELIEVE that pirating hurts the industry but there is still a difference between a meal or a pirated game. if i pirate a game which i wouldn't buy then it doesn't hurt the industry. if i get a meal for free which i wouldn't buy it hurts the restaurant because the restaurant had to pay for the new ingredients in my stomach.