Double post

LOL! 

I won't rewrite all my previous considerations, but if d21 wants a rating I must obey!

At launch and first year: 3/10

After first year until HW stopped losing money in Spring 2010: rating slowly growing to 6/10 and peaking to 6.5/10 or 7/10 in its best periods during that long timespan

H2 2010, first 10 months and last week of 2011: 7/10

From November to Xmas 2011: 6.5/10

Future possible ratings: If it will sell more than 80M lifetime, a 7.5/10 overall should be quite fair, for 90M, 8/10, between 100M and 120M, 9/10, from 120M to 140M, 9.5/10, more than 140M, 10/10 (ratings take into account recovering from the initial horrible mistakes and having to fight fierce competition from MS and Ninty, if this gen competition were as weak as last one I'd have raised the requirements for each rating by at least 30M the two lowest ones and by at least 20M the highest ones)

past performance is one of them, if this thread was made in 07/08 you'd have a leg to stand on, but as it stands now PS3 is doing better than the 360 and wii

and....... I swear I've said this before but, what has Sony losing money mean anything negative about the ps3, if this generation is any indication the more the company made in profit the less they're platform was supported, MS: hey we're making so much money on live, lets reward our subscribers.........by INCREASING the price, and Nintendo...well they're just downright insulting, made more profit in one year than Sony did in the ENTIRE ps2 generation and only one 1 high profile exclusive, that's just sad. I mean your sentiment is one of why am I not mad I can't brag about Sony's financials just for the sake of bragging about their financial. I'm a gamer first and foremost, games are what I care about, and I don't where you've been, but as of late Sony has invested in and probably  made more games than Nintendo and Microsoft combined

Sorry but I can't play profits nor can I play market share, if you asked anybody last gen what made the PS2 so awesome it was, how much it sold and how much money it made wouldn't be anywhere on that list and it killed it's competition. Now I understand why a Nintendo and Microsoft fan would argue differently but to me games are what matter in this industry, and judging the ps3 as a games console which is what it is, it's a success. You DON'T have to be number one, nor do you have to sell a billion units to be successful, all you have to do is what you set out to do, and on that note, the PS3 is a success, it's a brilliant games console and currently outperforming both of it's competitors, and that is success.

P.S. so what it didn't sell as much as the ps2, here's a fun fact NO ONE sold as much as the ps2, so either Sony dominates or no one does

and how exactly does this change what kowenicki said? he said sony failed hard financially and that's right. he said they lost a lot of marketshare to the competition and that's right. he didn't say they have no great games or anything, just that, if you are working for sony, have invested in sony or whatever, this was really not what you was hoping for.

so if you look at sony the ps3 failed a lot (not sure how the next years will be financial).

and you can't say the ps3 was a full success because it has great games. sure for a gamer it was good but that's no success.

i love some expensive super cars and the producers of these cars are going bankruot plenty of times. hey the build the best cars is this now a success? no it isn't, maybe for you driving and owning this car but i donÄ't believe that'S what the word success is meant for talking about a company.

so the thread should be called is the PS3 a success.... for investors, and fans of the other 2 consoles in which case I wouldn't have said anything because I'm not an investor, nor am I a fan of the other 2 consoles

i don't really now how someone can define the word success otherwise talking about a product of a company. i edited my post as you replied to me there i wrote what i mean.

talking about how great the games are isn't a success for me talking about a company losing money with that product.

it's a success for me buying this console but not really a success for sony...

that's just how i think, a company makes a product to earn money and losing money with that product can never be a success in my opinion no matter how great this product is.

there is one exception, a company starting with something new and burining money the first years to win money 20 years later or so but that's not the plan of sony with the ps3

and guess who's problem that is....

and I'm supposed to be the one with the "agneda"

LO fucking L

that's EXACTLY what the hell the plan was with the PS3, look alittle deeper and you'll see it (should be obvious but whatever)

the problem of sony and us gamers as well? because less money for sony means less money in the future for better and new products. or do you think they would be always so great with their games burning money the next 20 years? no it's a huge problem for them they see that this didn't work so they will change their startegy the next generation.

you like how the ps3 workde for you but ones for sure the next gen won't be like this for you because that was a flop for sony.

yeah that was the plan but they really burned too much money. i know that they knew they will lose a ton the first time. i don't think someone is denyin that sony knew they will lose money the first time.