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Forums - Sales Discussion - 3DS will hit ~15 million next week, fastest selling system in history by 2 months

So 3DS is the best-selling "bomba" ever.



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Galaki said:
Carl2291 said:
miz1q2w3e said:

adorable

adorable

You two get a room already.

Or better yet ...threesome?



Sounds like a lot of bullshit stipulations being set up by the crowd that doesn't want to acknowledge 3DS dominance... Gotta look at this sku only can't remember this other sku that wasn't deleted to factor in the percentage of price cut. Price cut did this and that. Was it faster to 10 or 5. Did it slow down after 5 or speed up. Too fast or too slow. Too expensive or too cheap. Too much bullshit or not enough?



Thats great result, but its nowhere near Wii success. Wii didnt have to steal from their own sales to have this kind of success. What I mean is DS would have pull out extremely good numbers this christmas if it wasnt for the 3DS at that price point. A big part of those 3DS sales could have been DS sales. Great success nonetheless, but not comparable to Wii.



RolStoppable said:
Panama said:

I live in Australia which is regarded as PAL in the gaming world. It was a $200 drop, yet it initially went from $1000 to $800 which is a lower percentage than $250-170 or $350AUD-250. I want to see actual figures in Europe of the official drop of the 60GB SKU only, and not your conjecture about 20GB and 40GB SKUs which doesn't apply due to the cessation one of those SKUs.

Also I didn't just limit it to third party. You said the people are aware of what they're buying. I pointed out third party software because third party figures seem to say otherwise. That and MK Wiis attachment rate is higher than MK7s which is why I said wait a few weeks or months, it's to the 3DS's advantage. I'm not attacking anything, I'm stating fact, which is why I want to see the actual European price drop of the 60GB SKU.

The PS3 was a very troubled console, so there is a lot to go through in terms of SKUs and pricing. It's all summed up here and I'll copy-paste the relevant entries.

On March 23, 2007, the PlayStation 3 was launched in Europe, Australia, the Middle East, Africa and New Zealand, with only a 60 GB model available.

On July 12, 2007, SCEE announced a Starter Pack bundle in Europe, including a second SIXAXIS controller and two first-party titles from a given selection, to sell at the same price as the standalone model. SCEE stated that there were no plans to introduce an 80 GB model or to drop the price for the 60 GB model in Europe.[8] Around this time SCEE President David Reeves and Sony Computer Entertainment, Incorporated President Kaz Hirai clarified that the North American "price drop" was in fact a clearance sale intended to eliminate stock of the 60 GB unit, the production of which had actually been halted at the time of the price drop announcement. After all 60 GB units were sold, only the 80 GB unit would remain in stores in North America.

On October 10, 2007, the 40 GB PlayStation 3 model was released in Europe, the Middle East, and Africa. In Europe, the 40 GB model had a price of 399.99. The 60 GB Starter Pack received a reduction in price to €499[13] except in Britain, where the Starter Pack will be replaced by a £349 Value Pack with two first party games (Motorstormand Resistance: Fall of Man) and one SIXAXIS controller (as opposed to two controllers in the £425 Starter Pack).[14] Once stocks of 60 GB PAL region model are exhausted, the 40 GB model will be the only one available in the SCEE territories.

In a timespan of six and a half months, the PS3 price was reduced from €599 to €399, a drop of 33 %. After less than four months Sony had already introduced a starter pack which added two games and a controller, but was sold for the same price as the initial 60GB SKU for €599. While the entry price remained the same, the consumer could save more than €150 as opposed to purchasing the console, two games (€60 each) and an additional controller (at least €40) separately. These starter packs were phased out with the launch of the 40GB SKUs in October, so the €399 PS3 became the only one you could buy a short while later.

The separation of first and third party software is irrelevant for your initial point that consumers are confusing the 3DS with DS models. If they buy 3DS games with their 3DSes (and they do), then the case is already closed and you are wrong.

Interesting. I apologize then. Perhaps I should have said unprecedented for a handheld.



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The price cut wasn't unprecedented, not even for a Nintendo machine--N64, Xbox and PS3 all saw major price cuts within the first year of their life spans, and the recovery for those systems was no where near as impressive. (EDIT: The near-term recovery, I mean. PS3 has gone from strength to strength since its difficult launch, but it needed further price cuts, a lot of software and the slim model to get it there)

All this focus on the price ignores the other problems Nintendo faced earlier in the year, which they may have overcome or may be in the process of over-coming. Brand confusion with the original DS systems, health-scare stories across the media, the argument that smartphones and tablets meant traditional portable game systems couldn't succeed, the poorly thought-out, low profile software release list, the highlight of which was an N64 remake, and of course, the lack of features (no eShop, not even a web browser on day one) and the poor marketing campaign (the 3D centric one).

The price point was one of many problems that badly hindered the 3DS during its early days. Its first party launch titles were the weakest of any Nintendo system--three versions of Nintendogs + Cats and Pilotwings. Third parties didn't step up to provide compelling, exclusive content. And as far as I'm concerned, in general, software was over-priced from the start. In the face of all those problems, the 3DS has had an excellent recovery and has done brilliantly to (possibly) reach this milestone. Going forward, Nintendo need to ensure a steady stream of good, quality content hits both retail and the eShop, and they need to reconsider their software price points. Yes, people are jumping at the chance to buy Mario Land, Mario Kart and Zelda, but if Nintendo wants long-term success they need a software market that includes successful third party games. Staggered software pricing would definitely help out there, and a commitment to cheaper eShop games would allow the eShop to become a more successful and competitive part of their overall strategy. Nintendo can't afford to continue to miss out on the benefits of a successful online system, and whereas they've taken good steps in the right direction, eShop can't afford to be seen as an over-priced, smaller-scale app store. I'm not saying they should match app store prices, but charging £4 for a 69p app store game is ridiculous--prices of £1-£5 across Virtual Console and new eShop content would be a big step in the right direction.

As excellent as the recovery has been, the long-term challenges facing the 3DS are still quite severe. If Nintendo aim to match or exceed the success of the DS, they need to continue to work hard and evolve the 3DS. It's going to be an interesting 2012, and I hope both Nintendo and Sony are up to the challenge of making their portables succeed in the long-term.



Icyedge said:
Thats great result, but its nowhere near Wii success.


Actually, it did have greater success than the Wii selling to 15 million, it did it 9 weeks faster.



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Ah, but I see why. The price has been dramatically lowered, you can now get 3DS for only about 20% more than DS in most stores. Why would you go for DS which is pretty much nearly it's discontinuation when you can 3DS for slightly more that will still be supported for years to come AND has backwards compatibility, it's a great achievement, don't get me wrong. But the price at which it comes is a bit concerning(No pun intended). There is very little room left for maneuvering in the price.



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NotStan said:
Ah, but I see why. The price has been dramatically lowered, you can now get 3DS for only about 20% more than DS in most stores. Why would you go for DS which is pretty much nearly it's discontinuation when you can 3DS for slightly more that will still be supported for years to come AND has backwards compatibility, it's a great achievement, don't get me wrong. But the price at which it comes is a bit concerning(No pun intended). There is very little room left for maneuvering in the price.

Considering that it is selling at a record breaking pace, I don't think a 3DS price drop is going to occur in the near future. If they were interested in raising the price, they would release a new model which costs 20% more and clear out the old models - similar to what was done with the DS Lite, DSi, and then the DSi XL.



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Jumpin said:
NotStan said:
Ah, but I see why. The price has been dramatically lowered, you can now get 3DS for only about 20% more than DS in most stores. Why would you go for DS which is pretty much nearly it's discontinuation when you can 3DS for slightly more that will still be supported for years to come AND has backwards compatibility, it's a great achievement, don't get me wrong. But the price at which it comes is a bit concerning(No pun intended). There is very little room left for maneuvering in the price.

Considering that it is selling at a record breaking pace, I don't think a 3DS price drop is going to occur in the near future. If they were interested in raising the price, they would release a new model which costs 20% more and clear out the old models - similar to what was done with the DS Lite, DSi, and then the DSi XL.

Yes but the 3DS had to reach essentially a mass market price - close to that of DS at the time it was discontinued within the first year of it's release, meaning that it has less room for price cuts in the future, when the sales do slack, remember, we are still in the first year - the handheld is likely to stay on the market for a minimum of 5/6 - or maybe even longer before Nintendo release a successor.

A lot more years to go, with semi low price already, that's what I am trying to say, revisions or not - the price will only go down and not up, so Nintendo has to keep up the R&D to get the production costs down, and continue to do so if they want to maintain sales that can challenge those of DS LTD.



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