And I have the right to play a game without the unfairness of hackers exploiting a system that makes it unfair for the mass majority. This helps protect Sony's IP as well as guarding the consumers' right of the majority.  And you know better that it's not "because [Sony] felt like it."  Sony just protected my rights as a consumer as part of the mass majority of PS3 owners.  Yes, the backlash against Sony is unfounded hate whether it's simple ignorance or platant belligerance when failing to see the bigger picture.

Consumer rights are a right, playing online is not a right.  You've made this statement in other threads and it's just wrong.  Playing online is a privileged provided by Sony not a freaking right.  Sony does not have to let you use its online service so it isn't a right.  The US government has to give you free speech so it is a right. 

If you're willing to give up consumer rights so that you don't have to occasionally come across a hacker online then your priorities are just off and terrible for those who actually want as much freedom as they can get.  I will never understand people willing to give the government more power because they don't like the HACKZERS!!!!!!!!!!!

"in order to control the few bad eggs?"

the few bad...? you may disagree but i'd say without a doubt that the majority of people that hack their consoles do it solely to pirate games 

so i suppose when you and others speak of liberty and user freedom one question that comes up is does that apply to any activity the user can partake in? regardless of how those activities may have a negative effect on others?

it seems to me that the only thing that matters to some people is that the hackers get what they want but beyond that other ps3 owners and the people who provide content for the platform don't really matter

"$599 was the..."

that doesn't answer my question at all, this was my question

"$600 dollars for a device to run linux is cheap? what would you usually pay on a pc for linux?"

I don't like it in principle, but legally this was always going to be the outcome, and I do feel Sony would never have removed the feature at all if it hadn't been for the hacking exploiting it.

But still - I never like to see consumer's rights potentially weakened. Tough call. Now when they installed root kits that was an easy one to hate on.

Oohhhhhh...  So maybe installing Linux on the PS3 isn't a consumer right either.  No matter how you cut it, the logic cuts both ways.  Unfortunately, the ones bashing Sony here for their actions are not seeing the bigger picture as I've mentioned now and in other threads.  And you're doing the same by attempting to find "fault" in my statement when with the same logic can be applied to the other side of the argument.  Also if it's so important for some to install Linux on the PS3, maybe their priorities are off as well.  Thanks for pointing that out.  Oh... you didn't.  Go figure why.

All I said was that you stating that playing online is a right is wrong.  Don't care about your opinion on the other stuff and I didn't bring it it.  I just pointed out that that single statement is false and we shouldn't be willing to give up rights so that our lives are more convenient.   

I wouldn't bother arguing with you about the Linux deal and such since you don't even know the difference between right and privilege.

Are you implying that the maority of PS3 USERS are pirates? Because that's what my point is. Why enforce security on the maority in order to reguate the actions of the minority? And don't start wth this "if you're doing nothing wrong, then you have nothing to worry about" crap. What if Sony released a patch that effectively spied on everything you do with your PS3, showing your entire hitory against the console? After all, it would make it easier to track pirates, right? Even though the majority are getting their own rights violated.

I've already mentioned this. People removing PS3 security in no way violates your right as a gamer, nor does it violate publisher's right to pursie compensation. You want to know why? Firstly, if the platform was open to be modified, that gives anyone the right to move their PS3 to ANOTHER online service, one that would better suit them. Once again, Sony has every right to regulate the users on their PSN network, but in no way does it have the right to lock out user purchased hardware. That is corporate nanny-state action.

It really depends on what the machine would be used for. I've paid anywhere from the range of $50 to $2000 for a Linux machine, and once again you weren't just paying for the privilege of Linux, but it would have been enough to sway some people who were on the fence deciding on a game console.

I think he's missed the complete point of some posters in the thread.  I think it's a case of them not wanting to actually read the truth sometimes, I guess because it's only a minority that got burned in this instance it's fine, well that's just bullshit and the people who carry on with that attitude are no better than anyone else that ignores a minorities problems because it doesn't affect them.  It actually sickens me to think people have become so brain washed by corporations to believe it's fine to infringe on peoples rights because you're rich enough that they can't do anything.

I'll try not to post anymore, other than the results of Icyedge's request when I get chance to borrow a game off my friend.

That first sentence shows just how blind you are to the situation. Say you bought a Mac, then you decide to dual-boot it with another OS like Windows or Linux. Does Apple have the right to say "No, you're not allowed to do that to your Mac. You can only run OS X on it". This isn't just because Sony is the one doing it. If you have purchased hardware, you have every right to do what you like with it.

Now, the right of being able to play hassle-free online...on the closed system, you're forced to use Sony's PSN network. ony has every right to regulate users from THEIR NETWORK or encourage them to play on another network. It does not have the right to enforce security on a piece of hardware that they no longer own.

PS: Please reply to my previous response to you. I really wish to know your answers there...

It's amazing how willing people are to give up rights if it means life is more convenient for them or it doesn't affect them.  I've never understood the whole loyalty to a multi-billion dollar corporation either.  They only care about their profits yet people will not only put up with but defend these companies when they screw people over.  I really do think some of the people on this site think Sony actually cares about them when in reality they only care about your wallet.